More Banjo: Week 2 vs. Minnesota

[channtheman]

What’s the rule now?

Yeah, anyone have clarification on the new rule? Initially, I thought it was a drop because the ball squirted out at the end. But then I thought I remembered them changing the rule, but I don't really know what it is now.

[pbmax]

New rule: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...al-catch-rule/

[RashanGary]

Thanks PB.

Yeah, that’s a catch then. For sure. I liked the old rule better. Made sense to me to maintain possession through the fall. It’s similar to the one, two, football move. It’s clear possession.

[pbmax]

They should just make it simple. Two hands on ball, or arm and body PLUS one foot down in bounds. Everything after that is live.

I need to think through OBJ's one handed catches.

[RashanGary]

That would be simpler and easier to officiate but I don’t consider it a catch until a guy really has it. Maybe that’s just years of conditioning from NFL football tho.

[Harlan Huckleby]

They should just make it simple. Two hands on ball, or arm and body PLUS one foot down in bounds.

I never understood any value to making it any more difficult or complicated. Do we really see more exciting or athletic plays with players having to get two feet in bounds and demonstrate control through their next paycheck? Seems to me there will be many more circus catches if you allow one-foot inbounds. What is gained by narrowing the playing field? Why not make control a nearly instantaneous call? Who cares how long control is maintained? Maybe there is some rationale to making it harder to complete a pass that escapes me.

[mraynrand]

I never understood any value to making it any more difficult or complicated. Do we really see more exciting or athletic plays with players having to get two feet in bounds and demonstrate control through their next paycheck? Seems to me there will be many more circus catches if you allow one-foot inbounds. What is gained by narrowing the playing field? Why not make control a nearly instantaneous call? Who cares how long control is maintained? Maybe there is some rationale to making it harder to complete a pass that escapes me.

I think you should have to maintain control all the way through the re-inflation process to normal PSI.

[bobblehead]

Do you even watch Packer games? Virtually every pass play over the past few years, the pass rush is in the Packers backfield a helluva lot quicker than most teams most games. That is so common that some people maybe don't even count it as avoiding a sack when Rodgers spins, dodges, or otherwise escapes the pass rush. The eternal question is how fantastic would Aaron Rodgers be if he had the pass blocking of Brady or a lot of other QBs? I doubt we will ever know.

As for watching football in general, yeah, most teams/most QBs do exactly what many in here want Rodgers to do - unload it quick, often into a crowd, occasionally for an interception. I'll take OURS over theirs any day.

I'm talking THIS year and THIS ARod. He is not nearly as mobile or accurate as he once was. He has had plenty of pocket time this season. I have also been on record for years saying while Bak is good, he is over rated because Rodgers escapes the times he fails.

Through 2 games he has not avoided or saved more than 2 sacks total (I'm ballparking, I only recall one).

[bobblehead]

I don't know about this. Bear game was a mess. Vikings was better. Lane Taylor got run over in the opener and Taylor got run over versus the Vikes.

It hasn't been the tire fire of last year, but its not been clean.

It has been good enough that his reads should get made.

And Rodgers mobility is back enough that he has escaped the pocket a few times and gotten wide enough to throw downfield or OOB.

On that bull rush rodgers fell meekly to the turf. He avoided nothing.

[Fritz]

I never understood any value to making it any more difficult or complicated. Do we really see more exciting or athletic plays with players having to get two feet in bounds and demonstrate control through their next paycheck? Seems to me there will be many more circus catches if you allow one-foot inbounds. What is gained by narrowing the playing field? Why not make control a nearly instantaneous call? Who cares how long control is maintained? Maybe there is some rationale to making it harder to complete a pass that escapes me.

This could all be resolved - as well as what constitutes a fumble - if the NFL went back to the simple rules we used in our back yard football games from the 1970's:

- If the ball doesn't touch the ground as you are falling out of bounds ("bounds" being the imaginary line between the two pine trees on the right; between the grape vine post and the maple on the left side of the field), you caught it. Doesn't matter if you juggled it or not; if it's in your arms and didn't touch the ground, you caught it.

- It's a fumble if the ball comes out. Mike Kammer knocks you on your ass while you're running toward the goal line (the "goal line" being the imaginary line between the edge of the garden and the blue spruce), and you hit the ground, causing the ball to pop out - that's a fumble. Dave Kreuger tackles you, you stumble, one knee hits the ground, the ball comes out - that's a fumble.

[mraynrand]

Dave Kreuger from Franklin? He never tackled anyone.

[Fritz]

Nah, Dave Kreuger from Anchorville Michigan. He lives in Kentucky now.

[mraynrand]

Nah, Dave Kreuger from Anchorville Michigan. He lives in Kentucky now.

Morehead? lol

[pbmax]

On that bull rush rodgers fell meekly to the turf. He avoided nothing.

I'd say he and the line are not in sync past 2.5 seconds. Which sounds like a big ask, but there were times through 2016 (when Bulaga was healthy or there was just one sub on the O line) when between Rodgers moving inside the pocket and unreal Pass Pro, they often went for five seconds with a clean pocket.

Rodgers was so in sync he could get the DL to move toward his feints and then hop back into place, giving the tackle an edge he did not previously have.

Honestly, with a list of things the offense needs to iron out, I'd be happy for him to kneel after 3 seconds and facing big pressure. We don't need more hits early in the season.

But I do think his speed/reaction time has come back a bit. He is not getting chased down from behind as much as the last two years when he rolls out.

[Fritz]

Morehead? lol

No, thanks.