On to the next one - week 3 - Bronco game week discussion

[Fritz]

Fake News!

[pbmax]

@BillHuberSI
Not practicing; Burks, Graham and M Adams. Savage is practicing and Hollman is practicing without red jersey. Baylis has changed to 88.

Baylis off PS.

[Fritz]

Hey, is Josh Jackson still on this team? How did last year's second-round pick get passed up by Tony Brown AND Will Redmond?

If we slip an "h" onto "Baylis," we could, you know, just call him "Lord Baylish."

And will someone please cue him in that Aaron Rodgers will like him better/throw him the ball more if he acts like he's on old crusty guy and not some punk young guy whom Aaron Rodgers cannot relate to?

[pbmax]

Hey, is Josh Jackson still on this team? How did last year's second-round pick get passed up by Tony Brown AND Will Redmond?

If we slip an "h" onto "Baylis," we could, you know, just call him "Lord Baylish."

And will someone please cue him in that Aaron Rodgers will like him better/throw him the ball more if he acts like he's on old crusty guy and not some punk young guy whom Aaron Rodgers cannot relate to?

He is practicing but was hurt in camp. You probably see more of him with Greene out.

[mraynrand]

That's about as big a crock of misleading stats as I've seen for quite a while - both D and O.

Break it down for us. Where is it wrong? Show your work. We want to believe you.

[hoosier]

2nd Half!

(13:49) A.Jones left end to GB 34 for 9 yards (D.Hunter).
(13:06) A.Jones left end pushed ob at GB 33 for -1 yards (E.Wilson).
Timeout #1 by GB at 12:22.
(12:22) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short middle to D.Adams to GB 45 for 12 yards (A.Harris). P15
(11:55) PENALTY on GB, Offensive Too Many Men on Field, 5 yards, enforced at GB 45 - No Play.
(11:35) J.Williams right end to GB 43 for 3 yards (E.Kendricks).
(10:56) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Williams pushed ob at GB 47 for 4 yards (T.Waynes).
(10:17) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers FUMBLES (Aborted) at GB 42, RECOVERED by MIN-H.Mata'afa at GB 42.

(9:12) A.Jones up the middle to GB 36 for 11 yards (E.Wilson). R16
(8:45) (No Huddle) A.Jones right end to GB 45 for 9 yards (D.Hunter).
(8:00) J.Williams right guard to GB 47 for 2 yards (T.Waynes). R17
(7:17) J.Williams left end to 50 for 3 yards (E.Kendricks; E.Griffen).
(6:33) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to D.Adams [D.Hunter].
(6:26) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers sacked at GB 40 for -10 yards (D.Hunter).
(5:41) J.Scott punts 48 yards to MIN 12, Center-H.Bradley, fair catch by C.Beebe.

(:51) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to A.Jones to GB 16 for 15 yards (H.Smith).
(:10) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to A.Jones.
(15:00) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep left to M.Valdes-Scantling (J.Kearse).
4-6-GB 20 (14:52) J.Scott punts 47 yards to MIN 33, Center-H.Bradley. C.Beebe MUFFS catch (T.Summers).

(11:48) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to J.Williams [I.Odenigbo].
(11:44) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to J.Graham to GB 28 for 6 yards (A.Harris) [I.Odenigbo].
PENALTY on GB-J.Graham, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at GB 22 - No Play.
(11:23) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers sacked at GB 4 for -8 yards (L.Joseph).
(10:36) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short middle to J.Kumerow to GB 16 for 12 yards (X.Rhodes).
Penalty on GB-G.Allison, Offensive Holding, declined.
(10:21) J.Scott punts 59 yards to MIN 25, Center-H.Bradley. C.Beebe ran ob at MIN 40 for 15 yards (A.Amos).

(5:10) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep right to M.Valdes-Scantling (T.Waynes).
(5:03) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep right to A.Jones (E.Kendricks) [E.Wilson].
(4:57) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to M.Valdes-Scantling to GB 28 for 8 yards (J.Kearse) [E.Griffen].
(4:14) J.Scott punts 48 yards to MIN 24, Center-H.Bradley, fair catch by C.Beebe.

(3:14) A.Jones left guard to GB 23 for 2 yards (E.Kendricks).
(2:27) A.Jones right end to GB 36 for 13 yards (H.Smith; A.Harris). R19 Timeout #1 by MIN at 02:19.
(2:19) A.Jones right end to GB 40 for 4 yards (D.Hunter).
(2:00) A.Rodgers pass short middle to D.Adams to GB 47 for 7 yards (A.Harris). P20 Timeout #2 by MIN at 01:53.

(1:53) A.Jones up the middle to GB 49 for 2 yards (A.Harris; E.Wilson).
Timeout #3 by MIN at 01:47.
(1:47) J.Williams right guard to 50 for 1 yard (E.Kendricks).
(1:02) J.Williams left end to MIN 47 for 3 yards (L.Joseph).
(:14) (Pass formation) PENALTY on GB, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 47 - No Play.
(:13) R.Tonyan reported in as eligible. J.Scott punts 52 yards to end zone, Center-H.Bradley, Touchback.

16 passes. 13 runs. 3 deep throws.

Conclusion: Deep ain't the problem. Its not great, especially from shotgun, but its not the big issue. It has definitely changed from Rodgers past, but its not the play calling challenge here. Plus, if you reduce deep throws more, the short game gets tougher (see all drives after 3 scores). And you might be missing the opening score.

More concerning are penalties and turnovers. Turnovers killed two drives. Penalties killed three drives. Penalties on Clark and JA helped extend the first Vikings drive for a score.

I don't think the Rodgers version of the shotgun works with this receiving group and his current accuracy. But the pass game is fine from under center.

The big play calling issue is what to do about third and long.

Sacks helped kill two drives too. Two of these transcriptions are not accurate: the drive starting with 0:51 left in 3rd (Canadian Football rules appear to have been in effect) and the next one starting 11;48 left in 4th (they punted on 5th down). I suppose maybe the missing play from 0:52 ended up in 11:48.

[hoosier]

Break it down for us. Where is it wrong? Show your work. We want to believe you.

Here, I will do it for him: the refs missed a ton of holding calls when Packers were on defense. The win rate for GB pass rush should be much higher (I'm assuming holding call = win for defense?), like maybe 67-70%. Putting Browns ahead of Packers for OL win rate is a joke: everyone knows the Browns suck, and none of those goddamned leftist media assholes knows how good the Packer OL is.

[mraynrand]

Sacks helped kill two drives too. Two of these transcriptions are not accurate: the drive starting with 0:51 left in 3rd (Canadian Football rules appear to have been in effect) and the next one starting 11;48 left in 4th (they punted on 5th down). I suppose maybe the missing play from 0:52 ended up in 11:48.

[RashanGary]

Not really this weeks topic, but Per rotoworld on Twitter, Alston Jefferey and desean Jackson supposedly out till week 5. Throw Alexander or King on Agholor and then bracket Ertz over/under and we should be able to shut down Wentz.

[hoosier]

I read, I process, I laugh. Not all, but too many of you are fixated on a Rodgers/LaFleur battle of wills. Others are consumed with a run/pass battle. The truth is that too many postings don't have a leg to stand on. The concept of a "balanced" offense that is not so predictable is beyond the IQ level of most posting here.

So keep on posting, I'm laughing my ass off !

Jesus Christ, what a self-important pedantic post. And you got the scold in there too. Quite impressive.

[hoosier]

That the Rose Marie stretch? Is she looking for one of his Jews?

[mraynrand]

Jesus Christ, what a self-important pedantic post. And you got the scold in there too. Quite impressive.

Why must you resist Woodbuck's - I mean Radagast's - efforts to make this a better forum? We need to accept our lower IQs and learn to be better despite the disabilities we face. Perhaps Radaghast can give us more useful tips and self-help insults to keep us honest and always striving to be the best mentally retarded people we can be.

[mraynrand]

That the Rose Marie stretch? Is she looking for one of his Jews?

ouch. That's the famous picture of how she 'accidentally' erased the tapes.

[pbmax]

Its underrated now, but nothing, and I mean nothing, gave me greater relief than getting a word processor versus a typewriter.

I hated using a typewriter. Nerve wracking, even with correction ribbon and white out.

[mraynrand]

Its underrated now, but nothing, and I mean nothing, gave me greater relief than getting a word processor versus a typewriter.

I hated using a typewriter. Nerve wracking, even with correction ribbon and white out.

Couldn't agree more. I just dreaded the final type up, especially formatting the ****amn footnotes. When I first used Endnotes, I though I was in heaven.

I still remember using literal cut and past to edit drafts. Cutting the scratch paper, rearranging it and taping it back together in a roll that I would tape to my dorm room wall and type from - Not too strangely, I think I actually wrote better that way. lol