the decline of aaron rodgers

[RashanGary]

rodgers said the dal game was his best this season. no doubt it was. from his comments during his presser after that game, that he's "accomplished a lot in this league statistically. i just want to win now", maybe he's come to that realization about himself and the new O that he's been bucking since day one. it's big if true. maybe it was from watching game film. maybe not having adams accelerated it. maybe it was MLF (i personally hope it was MLF). i'm not holding my breath but maybe there's been a turning point met. maybe he's seen that giving the O a chance, as it's designed, has benefits for him and the team.

Glad to see you saw some hope too. I’ve seen it slowly coming in spurts but that presser really solidified it. He was impressive. Played as good of team football (not stat football) as a QB can play.

I know he really gets along well with Linsley, Bakh, Bulaga and Turner. Bulaga is the first guy I’ve heard talking about how much the OL wants to run block. He’s been talking about it for weeks. I think his OL buddies might have talked him into leaning on them and letting them tee off on DL. I think Lafleur was a part, but I think the OL had a big influence too.

I could be wrong, just listening to Bulaga though, I think some guys he’s close to really wanted this, and I think AR cares about his dudes and just now realizes how to be a real leader and empower his guys.

[RashanGary]

I think AR talked MLF into more inside zones. A couple weeks ago AR was saying Jones cuts back earlier than a lot of backs but it’s his style and he’s good at it.... It was completely counter to what MLF says about “pressing the edge.” I sensed AR wanted MLF to let Jones be Jones. And I even thought AR might be right in that situation. That’s why I didn’t come here, bump this and bitch.... I just thought about it and was gonna pay attention to see if AR had a point.

Well, before I could pay attention, MLF completely flipped script and adjusted for his guys. Shows the same kinda maturity AR is showing. So I think AR is a positive influence on MLF too. And I do think MLF truly listens and adjusts for AR and for all the guys as well. Both guys are impressing me.

[RashanGary]

Stenovich is a young OL coach. He came in with coaching points and a goal in mind. But he’s talked about adjusting and letting guys play their style too. Bakh talked in TC about no two guys having the same bodies so their technique is all a little different. Was good to hear the young coach have an open mind and flexibility to let guys play their style and not micromanage.

[pbmax]

I think AR talked MLF into more inside zones. A couple weeks ago AR was saying Jones cuts back earlier than a lot of backs but it’s his style and he’s good at it.... It was completely counter to what MLF says about “pressing the edge.” I sensed AR wanted MLF to let Jones be Jones. And I even thought AR might be right in that situation. That’s why I didn’t come here, bump this and bitch.... I just thought about it and was gonna pay attention to see if AR had a point.

Well, before I could pay attention, MLF completely flipped script and adjusted for his guys. Shows the same kinda maturity AR is showing. So I think AR is a positive influence on MLF too. And I do think MLF truly listens and adjusts for AR and for all the guys as well. Both guys are impressing me.

Missing Williams changed their calculus a lot. Jones on an outside zone is a mess so far. Williams will get healthy and give the offense back this feature. Tra Carson ran tough, but I am not sure he is the answer to the outside zone.

I suspect there is still more shotgun that M4 would like, but its good that he is adjusting. You need something for 2nd/3rd and long.

Now they just need to find a #2 receiver. They tried out five FA guys this week, but that isn't going to do it.

[bobblehead]

https://images.app.goo.gl/RH2XdPLaSBTp7ZaEA

[Upnorth]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/aaron-rodgers-has-been-magic-in-the-first-quarter-and-a-pumpkin-in-the-fourth/

[RashanGary]

https://images.app.goo.gl/D93WYh2WRrpB6u796

He’s done

[pbmax]

I'm telling you, they should script 45 plays. Hell 60.

You could make a book out of all the plays at the end of the season.

[Zool]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...in-the-fourth/

Boy that is 100% shown on the field every week. Scripted plays end and the offense goes from world beaters, to ho hum.

[pbmax]

Irony is that the mediated, agreed to script has been a smashing success.

But neither the M4 offense not the Rodgers extended offense looked good by themselves later. Exception was the inside run game versus Dallas.

[RashanGary]

Irony is that the mediated, agreed to script has been a smashing success.

But neither the M4 offense not the Rodgers extended offense looked good by themselves later. Exception was the inside run game versus Dallas.

I think AR and M4 are finding playcaller/QB chemistry. Both guys seem to realize the Turner/Jenkins/Jones run strengths, so they’re starting to agree on ways to attack defenses and don’t seem to be fighting each other. It’s starting to gel.

[RashanGary]

Thankfully though, before the gelling took place, AR and M4 were able to script 15, get ahead and lean on the defense. I just think they’re evolving past that now and even without outside weapons, have found some run strengths and QB strengths that the offense can make hay with.

[RashanGary]

AR likes Graham. Graham is blocking better.
AR liked Lewis. Lewis is always blocking better.
Jenkins and Turner bring a whole new dimension to the run game
Jonesey is running hard
Adams is coming back
MVS runs fast and stretches the defense


I think we can make due with what we have. It’s just gonna be a different concoction than what we’re used to. But really, isn’t every year a different concoction?

[mraynrand]

I think this scripted narrative is getting kind of overblown. Another way of looking at it is "game-planning." Maybe, just maybe, the Packers come into a game with a better game plan for attacking the other team on both sides of the ball. So they do better in the first half than in the second. Scripted? What does that really mean? If the fifth play is scripted as a bomb to MVS, but they have first and goal on the 5, do they run it? Seriously, the 5-38 website tries to make much of this too, but I saw in another report that NE is right up there with GB in first quarter scoring. The Chefs score more early than late, and Andy Reid is considered a *oddamn genius. At least some teams that score well in the fourth tend to be teams that have been blown out and are playing against prevent defenses and clock-killing offenses. So, a combination of running out the clock with a lead, playing against good defenses that can adjust, and most critically, a game plan that exploits the other team when it's easiest (early in the game with both teams not necessarily knowing what the other team will show) has resulted in early leads. A little self-scouting as to the adjustments other teams make might help increase effectiveness in the second half, but I'll take less scoring any day when they are milking the clock up 31-3.

[RashanGary]

I’m kind of right between mraynrand and PB. I think the QB and playcaller agreed on the 15 so it was more effective early as they didn’t agree after that.

I think it’s fast becoming overblown because the QB and playcaller seem to be in gleeful harmony on what this offenses strengths are and are starting to click beyond the 15. AR even said he pressured M4 to keep pounding the rock and I visually saw AR let run plays ride into 8 man boxes vs Dallas. So those two are fast becoming a good pair beyond 15.

Also, I’m with rand that the leads we have are part of it. Having leads is a good problem to have.