No Kaepernick workout thread?

[pbmax]

The same absolutely applies to Tebow. I don't see him suing or crying, or social justice warriors insisting he be brought in. Both are very similar imo. Good backups who bring too much controversy to be signed as backups.

I don't remember anyone claiming Tebow was driving down ratings. Team's didn't like the circus. But even post circus he was with the Jets and then the Patriots in camp.

You get back to me when Kaepernick gets three more years after his circus year.

[bobblehead]

This. The list of has beens and never was's bouncing around the league (I'm looking at you Josh Johnson!) and his phone doesn't ring is crazy.

In every other case talent trumps all in this league, but he never even got a second chance. Wife beaters, illicit drug users, Vicodin addicts, all. The shield really, really, doesn't want him around.

He alienated half the fan base. That year I didn't watch anything other than Packer games. i am not unique. The league is right not to want him around. I also never watched a post dog slaughter michael vick game. Ray Rice was blackballed as well. Tebow as well. Can't have a guy talking anti abortion at post game pressers. Sometimes the headache ain't worth the upside. Certainly the case here. Is he top 32...not in my view. Top 64, likely, but he wouldn't have been like any backup in the league. I still maintain he wasn't protesting anything in that first "take a knee" moment. He didn't take a knee. He was pouting on the bench cuz he got benched. When asked about it he couldn't admit it so he flipped the script. Kap, no owner wants you on his team. You think you are bigger than the team. That won't fly.

[pbmax]

BUT...Kap has no interest in playing, only being the center of attention. He doesn't want to be a content backup. No way I would want them to sign him.

Assumes fact not in evidence. He has said he's sign to be a backup and doesn't have starter money demands.

When you have to resort to mind-reading to make the case, the case is weak.

[bobblehead]

There is little to no evidence he alienated customers. The TV decline originally cited was consistent with overall broadcast TV ratings decline for football and was in fact less decline than the rest of TV suffered.

This isn’t about paying customers. This is about PR problems and no team wanting to defend political speech that isn’t as reflexively popular as veterans on the field holding the flag.

The NFL acknowledged this by giving players an option to not go out on the field early. Had they come to that sensible solution in Year 1, it isn’t an issue.

Yet THIS year viewership is up. I almost wish he was signed and it started over again so you could see that it absolutely helped cause a decline. I have a ton of anecdotal evidence. Some empirical. Trust me, he cost them popularity in a big way. I get you have different politics than me and you don't want to believe that, but its simply true.

[pbmax]

He alienated half the fan base. That year I didn't watch anything other than Packer games. i am not unique. The league is right not to want him around. I also never watched a post dog slaughter michael vick game. Ray Rice was blackballed as well. Tebow as well. Can't have a guy talking anti abortion at post game pressers. Sometimes the headache ain't worth the upside. Certainly the case here. Is he top 32...not in my view. Top 64, likely, but he wouldn't have been like any backup in the league. I still maintain he wasn't protesting anything in that first "take a knee" moment. He didn't take a knee. He was pouting on the bench cuz he got benched. When asked about it he couldn't admit it so he flipped the script. Kap, no owner wants you on his team. You think you are bigger than the team. That won't fly.

There is literally a mountain of evidence that fans did not leave and are not leaving.

Ray Rice committed a crime and lied about it.

You didn't watch the Eagles Packers playoff game in 2010?

Tebow won a playoff game. Kaepernick nearly won a Super Bowl and was 4-2 in the playoffs. There is not Tebow comparison. Tebow stunk as a thrower.

[pbmax]

Yet THIS year viewership is up. I almost wish he was signed and it started over again so you could see that it absolutely helped cause a decline. I have a ton of anecdotal evidence. Some empirical. Trust me, he cost them popularity in a big way. I get you have different politics than me and you don't want to believe that, but its simply true.

All broadcast TV is down. The NFL continues to lose less viewership than ANY OTHER FORM of broadcast entertainment.

The gap between the NFL and the rest of broadcast TV is larger than its ever been. Which is why they command more money now for slightly declined ratings. Nothing else commands eyeballs like it does. And Kaepernick's entire year of kneeling didn't stop it.

Players still kneel and its not an issue. TV and NFL just don't show it.

[run pMc]

I don't know Kaepernick is doing it for attention. He might actually be doing it to get a job.
If you thought he was even 85% of the QB he was back in 2012 & 2013, and you're a team looking for a QB or a solid backup, you'd be an idiot not to bring him in for a workout and interview.

Eric Reid (and others who took a knee) managed to get NFL jobs or contract extensions, so the "turning away fans" claim is dubious IMO.

FWIW I take off my hat when the anthem is sung (unlike a lot of oblivious yahoos at events), have friends and family who have served in the military.
I don't think Kaepernick or players taking a knee is disrespectful. They're protesting violence, not the flag.
IMO it's easily better than a bunch of white supremacists walking around Charlottesville with torches chanting racist and anti-Semitic slogans.

[bobblehead]

Eric Reid @E_Reid35
Exactly. It was all an elaborate facade to get Colin to sign a waiver that forfeited his rights. But isn’t it interesting that when the league said it was ok, supposedly 25 teams showed up in ATL. Reeks of collusion

The idea that a special, short notice workout that the NFL arranged, which is not normal practice, is an example of "good faith" is interesting. As Reid points out, it also hints at the entire thing being arranged by the League office. Hence the waiver, hence the worry about collusion part 2.

Isn't it interesting that not one of those teams has brought him in for a one on one.

[bobblehead]

There is literally a mountain of evidence that fans did not leave and are not leaving.

Ray Rice committed a crime and lied about it.

You didn't watch the Eagles Packers playoff game in 2010?

Tebow won a playoff game. Kaepernick nearly won a Super Bowl and was 4-2 in the playoffs. There is not Tebow comparison. Tebow stunk as a thrower.

If you think Kap is a great passer your bias is showing.

[MadtownPacker]

If you think Kap is a great passer your bias is showing.

Pretty much. This thread is a marvel because I have never seen PB get emotional that I can recall. I asked why he deserved a job and the response was because he is one of the 32 best QBs in the world. Maybe one of the strongest arms but even at his greatest he was rarely if ever hitting WRs in tight spots. Tony Dungy called kapernick top 100 but what does Dungy know.

Fun fact - I worked near Turlock (kapernicks hometown) for a few years during his SF playing time. Damn near all the employees lived in that town and while some took in his side and some did not they all remembered him being da man around town. I doubt this fool has ever faced real discrimination. Another reason he cries fall on deaf ears with me.

PB are you really Nessa Diab? Stand by your man?

My bad I just couldn’t resist. I’m trying to kaepernick my way to relevance on the forum again!

[Cheesehead Craig]

Kap's biggest issue, IMO is that what offense you going to run if you sign him? He's never been a good pocket passer. His strength is the offense the Ravens are running, but he's 32 yrs old and not as nimble as he used to be.

[pbmax]

If you think Kap is a great passer your bias is showing.

Good enough to get to the Super Bowl and win 4 playoff games.

There is a LOT of room between Tebow (with the world's longest windup) and great passer.

At some point, its going to occur to you that by having to exaggerate your own points or the points of others is really a sign of the weakness of the underlying argument.

[pbmax]

Pretty much. This thread is a marvel because I have never seen PB get emotional that I can recall. I asked why he deserved a job and the response was because he is one of the 32 best QBs in the world. Maybe one of the strongest arms but even at his greatest he was rarely if ever hitting WRs in tight spots. Tony Dungy called kapernick top 100 but what does Dungy know.

Fun fact - I worked near Turlock (kapernicks hometown) for a few years during his SF playing time. Damn near all the employees lived in that town and while some took in his side and some did not they all remembered him being da man around town. I doubt this fool has ever faced real discrimination. Another reason he cries fall on deaf ears with me.

PB are you really Nessa Diab? Stand by your man?

My bad I just couldn’t resist. I’m trying to kaepernick my way to relevance on the forum again!

Its not emotional. I cannot put myself in his or anyone else's shoes in this situation. The NFL is just a perverse clown show.

Here is a list of some players that have started games in the NFL recently:

kyle wilson @kwill44
reply to @AndrewBrandt and @JasonLaCanfora

And in that same span, these guys actually started games for NFL teams

Scott Tolzien
Nathan Peterman
Devlin Hodges
Taylor Heinicke
Ryan Finley
Jeff Driskel
Jon Johnson

Doesn't make any sense

But all 32 teams decided these guys were "better options"

Never made any sense

Unbelievable. Straight to your face they are claiming to be a meritocracy, by agreement with the players they are allowing the form of protest that caused the problem in the first place and they claim these doofuses are as good or better than Kaepernick.

I don't like being lied to.

Mad keeps using Cerebro to read minds to find reasons to doubt Kaepernick has faced real discrimination. That wasn't the reason for the original protest. This isn't hard.

[pbmax]

Kap's biggest issue, IMO is that what offense you going to run if you sign him? He's never been a good pocket passer. His strength is the offense the Ravens are running, but he's 32 yrs old and not as nimble as he used to be.

I had this argument with Huber on Twitter.

If Scott Tolzien running Mike McCarthy's offense doesn't convince you that scheme fit is overrated, I don't know what to tell you. Or Hundely. Or Kizer. Or Joe Callahan. Or Graham Harrell.

Talent wins out. Adjusting the scheme is easier than turning dung into gold at the QB position.

Rodgers runs mesh handoffs with the backs in shotgun (though he typically throws off them rather than runs). They run outside zone so the QB can boot and setup to hit 1-2 receivers on the backside of the play. This offense is built for a mobile QB. No reason they couldn't use pistol in pace of shotgun.

And if he runs, bonus.

The scheme is not such difference maker that it will elevate any QB. Has to be Matt Flynn or above and few teams are there.

[Tony Oday]

I hope this piece of shit never plays another down and loses all of his money and is broke back on white mom and dad's couch. Fuck him and Reid.