No Kaepernick workout thread?

[MadtownPacker]

Its not emotional. I cannot put myself in his or anyone else's shoes in this situation. The NFL is just a perverse clown show.

Here is a list of some players that have started games in the NFL recently:




Unbelievable. Straight to your face they are claiming to be a meritocracy, by agreement with the players they are allowing the form of protest that caused the problem in the first place and they claim these doofuses are as good or better than Kaepernick.

I don't like being lied to.

Mad keeps using Cerebro to read minds to find reasons to doubt Kaepernick has faced real discrimination. That wasn't the reason for the original protest. This isn't hard.

In my face they are being unfair? Well tough titty said the kitty cuz last I check life isn’t fair and business don’t have to be fair. They just cant discriminate for racial reasons. Last I checked the NFL is beyond diverse. If anything I need to be crying because hey why aren’t there more Hispanics in the NFL? I speak with the knowledge from my own experiences in my life and word from people that live in the town he grew up in. Is that not in your face or you saying I’m lying? Cuz if so we’ll you aren’t better then the NFL, no?

Where is your proof he has faced discrimination? Maybe when he was the starter at Nevada? Or was it when he took over pale ass Alex Smiths job in SF?

Aren’t you Black? Then you know what I’m talking about.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I had this argument with Huber on Twitter.

If Scott Tolzien running Mike McCarthy's offense doesn't convince you that scheme fit is overrated, I don't know what to tell you. Or Hundely. Or Kizer. Or Joe Callahan. Or Graham Harrell.

Talent wins out. Adjusting the scheme is easier than turning dung into gold at the QB position.

Rodgers runs mesh handoffs with the backs in shotgun (though he typically throws off them rather than runs). They run outside zone so the QB can boot and setup to hit 1-2 receivers on the backside of the play. This offense is built for a mobile QB. No reason they couldn't use pistol in pace of shotgun.

And if he runs, bonus.

The scheme is not such difference maker that it will elevate any QB. Has to be Matt Flynn or above and few teams are there.

You're using Packer backup QBs performance vs Rodgers performance to show that talent wins over scheme? Well no shit when there's that much talent discrepancy and the scheme is "Rodgers, go make a play".

Why was it that Kap's effectiveness went down the tubes when SF changed coaches and then schemes from the RPO to pocket? Did his talent suddenly go away? He's best when he's mobile and he's proven that.

You absolutely have to build an offense around your QBs talents. I'm not saying that scheme wins every time, but forcing a player into a scheme he stinks at is only detrimental to the team. The Seahawks' passing offense was hot garbage last year and Carroll realized it and changed his scheme to a run-heavy offense. Went more towards his players' strengths and they turned it around and won more.

I get that scheme can eventually be caught up to (or even fall flat), but to completely dismiss that it has any importance is foolishness.

[MadtownPacker]

I hope this piece of shit never plays another down and loses all of his money and is broke back on white mom and dad's couch. Fuck him and Reid.

You mad bro?

He won’t go broke. All this pretty much guarantees another Nike deal. Speaking engagements and a biography written by our very own PBMax with illustrations by George Cumby (only if you pre-order).

[SudsMcBucky]

After watching CK's post workout diatribe, any team would be beyond foolish to sign that jackwagon. He would be a terrible locker room presence.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I hope this piece of shit never plays another down and loses all of his money and is broke back on white mom and dad's couch. Fuck him and Reid.

Tell us, ODay, why do you hate Kap so much? Let me guess, b/c he's part black? You're a supporter of pig brutality? A proponent of racism.

No player in the NFL is/was disrespecting the pawns (soldiers) of the Capitalist Establishment. You're just to stupid to comprehend that truth.

(And what did that "cracka" thunderdan say about the anthem? The Yanks fought a war with the classy and classless and sophisticated Red Coats so that nobody would have to stand when goddamn anthem plays.)

Btw, I hope the economy tanks, you lose your business and commit su..., nevermind, I'm not the bigot "piece of shit" your are. Go root for the NHL if can't stand black folks protesting the vices of society.

[MadtownPacker]

APB - Maybe I haven’t seen it but what has he really done to make a difference? Again, the kneeling isn’t mine concern. The fact that he seems to have found a way to make himself a martyr (handsomely paid for it too) is what I find whack. That I don’t like him for stomping on the Packers doesn’t really matter.

A good example was Kim Kardashian. I had a low opinion of her and her attention whore behavior. But then she used her fame to do something I think is wonderful. She actively pushed for the release of a lady who was sentenced way, way too harshly for something she did at a young age. She left her comfort zone and worked for a cause she believes in. Not that it matters to anyone else but I now have some respect for her and hope she succeeds further for just causes.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

APB - Maybe I haven’t seen it but what has he really done to make a difference? Again, the kneeling isn’t mine concern. The fact that he seems to have found a way to make himself a martyr (handsomely paid for it too) is what I find whack. That I don’t like him for stomping on the Packers doesn’t really matter.

A good example was Kim Kardashian. I had a low opinion of her and her attention whore behavior. But then she used her fame to do something I think is wonderful. She actively pushed for the release of a lady who was sentenced way, way too harshly for something she did at a young age. She left her comfort zone and worked for a cause she believes in. Not that it matters to anyone else but I now have some respect for her and hope she succeeds further for just causes.

A lot. But off the top of my head, Kap donated his own frogskins to support the causes he's fighting for. And even though he and Reid might disagree with the issue somewhat, their protests eventually caused the NFL to pony up for a "social justice" program.

Kap is still better than a lot of the wankers playing QB in the NFL today. He's good enough to be on an NFL roster. Kap's being blackballed, no doubt. The martyr thing just Stephen A being an ass. Dr. Mobb Deep would concur.

[Patler]

For the most part, NFL teams employ three basic types of backup QBs:

- young players who were drafted for their potential to become starters.
- young players drafted or not who are hard workers and show potential for significant improvement.
- experienced players who are willing to maintain low profiles while supporting and promoting the current starter.

Does Kaepernick fit in any of those categories? I suspect most GMs have concerns.

As an aside, I think most Packer fans have skewed perspectives about his talent based on the outstanding games he played against the Packers. During his last two seasons, while playing under a new long-term contract with SF, he kept losing his starting job to Blaine Gabbert. The long term deal was renegotiated to allow him to opt out, which he did when SF informed him he would likely be released.

He had some success (especially against GB) when he was relatively new on the scene, but most of the league caught on to his strengths and weaknesses even if the Packers did not. QBs who routinely complete less than 60% of their passes in todays NFL aren't widely sought after.

If Kaepernick fit nicely in the last category above, I suspect he would have a job. I doubt anyone thinks he does.

[bobblehead]

Assumes fact not in evidence. He has said he's sign to be a backup and doesn't have starter money demands.

When you have to resort to mind-reading to make the case, the case is weak.

I am speculating based on evidence. The kunta kinte shirt made it pretty clear he is self promoting and not interested in playing. Stephen A Smith had been his biggest supporter and even he turned on him.

Guys say a lot of things when they want something. Martellus Bennet said he wanted to shut it down and get surgery....until NE signed him.

[bobblehead]

I don't know Kaepernick is doing it for attention. He might actually be doing it to get a job.
If you thought he was even 85% of the QB he was back in 2012 & 2013, and you're a team looking for a QB or a solid backup, you'd be an idiot not to bring him in for a workout and interview.

Eric Reid (and others who took a knee) managed to get NFL jobs or contract extensions, so the "turning away fans" claim is dubious IMO.

FWIW I take off my hat when the anthem is sung (unlike a lot of oblivious yahoos at events), have friends and family who have served in the military.
I don't think Kaepernick or players taking a knee is disrespectful. They're protesting violence, not the flag.
IMO it's easily better than a bunch of white supremacists walking around Charlottesville with torches chanting racist and anti-Semitic slogans.

He has made it clear through actions and remarks that he is protesting AMERICA. Protesting the Betsy Ross flag. And I agree. We shouldn't give contracts to guys chanting racist and anti semitic slogans either. Why would you think anyone does?

[bobblehead]

Good enough to get to the Super Bowl and win 4 playoff games.

There is a LOT of room between Tebow (with the world's longest windup) and great passer.

At some point, its going to occur to you that by having to exaggerate your own points or the points of others is really a sign of the weakness of the underlying argument.

Who is exaggerating. I say Tebow wasn't that good. Kapernick took the league off guard and after they got some film on him he couldn't win. He went to the Owl with dominant defense. He actually did lose his job to Blaine Gabbert. That is a fact. He got progressively worse. He was 8-8 his last season as a starter.

If anyone is stretching things, its the guy who thinks he was/is a good QB. If he had stuck around, worked at reading a D instead of whining and protesting he might be top 20. He didn't and isn't.

[bobblehead]

APB - Maybe I haven’t seen it but what has he really done to make a difference? Again, the kneeling isn’t mine concern. The fact that he seems to have found a way to make himself a martyr (handsomely paid for it too) is what I find whack. That I don’t like him for stomping on the Packers doesn’t really matter.

A good example was Kim Kardashian. I had a low opinion of her and her attention whore behavior. But then she used her fame to do something I think is wonderful. She actively pushed for the release of a lady who was sentenced way, way too harshly for something she did at a young age. She left her comfort zone and worked for a cause she believes in. Not that it matters to anyone else but I now have some respect for her and hope she succeeds further for just causes.

This. Thank you. Ray Lewis covered up a murder and I have more respect for him than I do Colin. Ray was in the inner city trying to make a difference with his fame and his money while Kap was crying institutional racism kept me from my 2nd $50 million bonus. I hate Krap partly because I don't believe he was protesting and he is a crybaby who made up a story. He was lucky enough to monetize it.

[bobblehead]

A lot. But off the top of my head, Kap donated his own frogskins to support the causes he's fighting for. And even though he and Reid might disagree with the issue somewhat, their protests eventually caused the NFL to pony up for a "social justice" program.

Kap is still better than a lot of the wankers playing QB in the NFL today. He's good enough to be on an NFL roster. Kap's being blackballed, no doubt. The martyr thing just Stephen A being an ass. Dr. Mobb Deep would concur.

Blackballed is very different from no one wants him because its a zoo/headache they don't need to deal with.

[pbmax]

You're using Packer backup QBs performance vs Rodgers performance to show that talent wins over scheme? Well no shit when there's that much talent discrepancy and the scheme is "Rodgers, go make a play".

Why was it that Kap's effectiveness went down the tubes when SF changed coaches and then schemes from the RPO to pocket? Did his talent suddenly go away? He's best when he's mobile and he's proven that.

You absolutely have to build an offense around your QBs talents. I'm not saying that scheme wins every time, but forcing a player into a scheme he stinks at is only detrimental to the team. The Seahawks' passing offense was hot garbage last year and Carroll realized it and changed his scheme to a run-heavy offense. Went more towards his players' strengths and they turned it around and won more.

I get that scheme can eventually be caught up to (or even fall flat), but to completely dismiss that it has any importance is foolishness.

Scheme doesn't help bad talent. You do not need to compare Rodgers to his backups to know the backups were awful save for Flynn.

Of course you adapt for talent. Its how you win. Its how Philly won a Super Bowl with Nick Foles.

[pbmax]

In my face they are being unfair? Well tough titty said the kitty cuz last I check life isn’t fair and business don’t have to be fair. They just cant discriminate for racial reasons. Last I checked the NFL is beyond diverse. If anything I need to be crying because hey why aren’t there more Hispanics in the NFL? I speak with the knowledge from my own experiences in my life and word from people that live in the town he grew up in. Is that not in your face or you saying I’m lying? Cuz if so we’ll you aren’t better then the NFL, no?

Where is your proof he has faced discrimination? Maybe when he was the starter at Nevada? Or was it when he took over pale ass Alex Smiths job in SF?

Aren’t you Black? Then you know what I’m talking about.

He didn't sure about discrimination. He sued about being forced out of the League for no legally defensible reason.

The League paid him a settlement because its singling him out of the League for non-talent reasons. Seems proof enough of discrimination. Not sure if the League cares that he is black, but I'd bet it makes a difference to the public.

Just look at Tony Oday sending him back to his "white Mom and Dad's couch".