No Kaepernick workout thread?

[MadtownPacker]

Cmon Zoolio, that guy is only an orange belt. Bobble is at least a green or blue.

[pbmax]

Its all about the timeline. Kap started being active AFTER he saw the benefit of it. Lewis was very active throughout his career and now he is monetizing later. Don't misunderstand me, making a buck is great. Sell that hooch. Sell sneakers, I don't care. It's the false caring for inner city youth that bugs me. He cared as much for the black community as OJ did....and it coincided when they both suddenly needed to be victims.

I'd like a timeline of Lewis being active. That wasn't his MO.

Pretty sure there was a newsworthy event or two that happened prior to the season that seems a likelier launch point for Kap rather than seeing the benefit of not playing.

He redid his contract to get an opt out when he won the starting job back from Yo Gabbert Gabbert as he and the team could not agree to a contract extension the year before. He obviously expected to get paid that offseason. And that is when he was frozen out.

[pbmax]

That’s why I don’t believe this is about the cause and instead the cause is being used selfishly. PB and others have mentioned the playoff wins and almost winning the SuperBowl. He had the largest stage in the world with a whole week dedicated to the media. I don’t remember a single squeak from him about any causes or charities. Less the a year later the Michael Brown shooting happened, still nothing. Not until 2016 (he was sitting not kneeling which really gave the tantrum appearance) did this start. Think the media set it off by asking we he was sitting. From there is steamrolled.

No one noticed he was sitting for 2 or 3 games. That's how big a deal it was.

He played in the Super Bowl in 2012. What could have changed the man's perspective between then and 2017? Hmmm.

[MadtownPacker]

No one noticed he was sitting for 2 or 3 games. That's how big a deal it was.

He played in the Super Bowl in 2012. What could have changed the man's perspective between then and 2017? Hmmm.

Why didn't he protest after the Brown shooting because everyone else that cared did. He was the hotshot QB at the time (funny how thing were looking great for him career wise). Had he did it then I would view him complete opposite of what I do now.

It happened around the 2014 NFL preseason so he had plenty of chances but he wait until 2016 to protest? Hmmm, indeed. Seems he didn't care enough at that time.

SB XLVII was Feb 2013 not 2012. Was for the 2012 season.

BLM founded - July 2013

Brown shooting - Aug 2014

Benched around Nov 2015

kappy started "protesting"/crying - 2016 preseason

To him I say in the words of Lil Wayne, what da fuk bro?

You also haven't responded to my other post directed at you. Talking about the one asking you to read a post I made in FYI since you think I don't know about discrimination. Also to tell me about how the discrimination you have faced being Black. I really do want to know. Unless you are White, which there is also discrimination happening against also.

[George Cumby]

Nice summary, Mad.

[Radagast]

Brown who?

Discrimination is not restricted to just one race/group. Some believe that their lack of success is directly related to discrimination, however in reality it is directly proportional to the amount of effort put forth. All, and I do mean All success is earned through hard work and perseverance. Yes, there are those lucky few that inherit wealth, but their family wealth was earned as well by their elders.

Some say their is a color barrier to wealth, but that is very wrong. Success is no longer restricted to any race. Athletes, entrepreneurs, and those with special skills attain wealth. They went out and applied themselves, instead of applying for social services. How else could a man from Costa Rica or Liberia or the Philippines come to the USA and become wealthy. Through hard work, dedication, and a little luck any man in America can raise their standard of living.

Some say that America's prisons are too full of minorities. The truth is that anyone in a prison was convicted of breaking the laws that most of us do not break. If one or more minorities represent the greater majority of those in prisons, then in my opinion the bad behavior began long before their criminal activities. The home/community environment bears a large share of blame for their bad behavior. That environment can be found in all races, regions, and is to be found in both rural and city surroundings. It's those that do not bend to pier pressure, do well in school, and apply themselves that succeed in spite of the culture around them.

Long ago, I graduated from my High School with two people that went on to high success in their lives. I grew to know both while still in school as both were in the school band as I was. What made them special was that both graduated with perfect 4.0 scholastic averages. Both received full college scholarships. One attended a local University while the other attended an out of state University. Years later one became the news anchor on a local TV station as the other was on his way to being a highly respected Professor of Archaeology at a well known New England University. Both came from poor families, applied themselves, and became examples for all to admire. The news anchor was a black girl and was always friendly to all she ever met. The University Professor was a white boy and just as friendly. Neither had any family wealth or important people to ease their paths, both attained their success by their hard work.

I never attained such success myself, but I live a fairly comfortable retired life. My point is that if you believe that you are restricted by race from succeeding, then you probably are. It's those that rise above such things and apply themselves that succeed. Going from that community where drugs are sold on the corner to living in a better area in a fine house/driving a fine car/and taking those once only dreamed of vacations can only come with hard work. No one is going to walk up and just hand it to anyone else.


I don't look to see Kaepernick in the NFL ever again. No team will wan't such a distraction disrupting their team's. One day he may show up with a college program as a coach or on a CFL team, but I see him becoming more of a memory than a relevant athletic/social celebrity.With his wealth he could succeed in other ventures as an entrepreneur.

[Patler]

He redid his contract to get an opt out when he won the starting job back from Yo Gabbert Gabbert as he and the team could not agree to a contract extension the year before. He obviously expected to get paid that offseason. And that is when he was frozen out.

I don't follow this. He signed a 6 year $125 million contract two years before he renegotiated it for an opt out clause, which SF was happy to give him because they realized they grossly overpaid him. On CK's part, he knew he wasn't solidly their long range plan any longer.

[pbmax]

Why didn't he protest after the Brown shooting because everyone else that cared did. He was the hotshot QB at the time (funny how thing were looking great for him career wise). Had he did it then I would view him complete opposite of what I do now.

It happened around the 2014 NFL preseason so he had plenty of chances but he wait until 2016 to protest? Hmmm, indeed. Seems he didn't care enough at that time.

SB XLVII was Feb 2013 not 2012. Was for the 2012 season.

BLM founded - July 2013

Brown shooting - Aug 2014

Benched around Nov 2015

kappy started "protesting"/crying - 2016 preseason

To him I say in the words of Lil Wayne, what da fuk bro?

You also haven't responded to my other post directed at you. Talking about the one asking you to read a post I made in FYI since you think I don't know about discrimination. Also to tell me about how the discrimination you have faced being Black. I really do want to know. Unless you are White, which there is also discrimination happening against also.

Glad we agree that a protest during the 2012 season Super Bowl (Feb 2013) would have been in anticipation of all those other events. That would have been quite a feat. How many football players were protesting the Brown incident on the field?

Also odd there were no more shootings after 2014 to get mad about. Philando Castile comes to mind but perhaps I am just confused. (July 6, 2016)

Why would we get to pick when he got motivated to protest? Why is there an expiration date on his protest and no one else?

If Kaepernick simply wanted to get paid, he doesn't renegotiate that contract.

As for your other post, I have not read it yet and will not get the chance to until this weekend. But I am perplexed. I have never stated nor do I think I intimated that you do not know discrimination. I would have nothing to base that claim on. My disagreement is with your dismissal of Kaepernick as insincere in his protest and therefore unworthy of an argument to get him back into the game.

[pbmax]

I don't follow this. He signed a 6 year $125 million contract two years before he renegotiated it for an opt out clause, which SF was happy to give him because they realized they grossly overpaid him. On CK's part, he knew he wasn't solidly their long range plan any longer.

ESPN says he renegotiated that deal mid-season 2016 to get the opt out. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-opts-contract.

They had been trying to redo the deal since the trade talks with the Broncos. Kap had shoulder surgery in the offseason and was limited in camp and preseason. The 49ers may have been worried about his play, but they might also have been worried about those guarantees should he get injured again. This article mentions that Griffin sat with Washington for similar reasons.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17781311/colin-kaepernick-san-francisco-49ers-agree-restructure-deal

[MadtownPacker]

Assumes fact not in evidence.

When you have to resort to mind-reading to make the case, the case is weak.

My disagreement is with your dismissal of Kaepernick as insincere in his protest and therefore unworthy of an argument to get him back into the game.

Took me a lot of typing but I finally got you with your own words.

Just as I assume he is insincere based on his actions you assume he is sincere based on his actions. None of us have proof just mind-reading what we believe is going on in that afro. I will call it a draw because reality is I never expected to change anyone’s mind just as I will not change mine. Because all we have is speculation. It has been fun and I enjoyed putting thought into my post instead of just blasting away like normal.

One thing that you can consider fact is that I respect you and don’t want to end up on your shit list. I’m on enough of them already.

[Fritz]

So you can be a wife beater and maybe even a murdere and play in the NFL, but you can't kneel during the national anthem?

The NFL cares, man. They really care.

[pbmax]

Took me a lot of typing but I finally got you with your own words.

Just as I assume he is insincere based on his actions you assume he is sincere based on his actions. None of us have proof just mind-reading what we believe is going on in that afro. I will call it a draw because reality is I never expected to change anyone’s mind just as I will not change mine. Because all we have is speculation. It has been fun and I enjoyed putting thought into my post instead of just blasting away like normal.

One thing that you can consider fact is that I respect you and don’t want to end up on your shit list. I’m on enough of them already.

I do not claim to know his sincerity level. I *think* he is sincere, but I cannot prove it.

Regardless, he deserves a spot in the League. A lot of people worse than hypocrites are getting paid to play professional football.

[pbmax]

So you can be a wife beater and maybe even a murdere and play in the NFL, but you can't kneel during the national anthem?

The NFL cares, man. They really care.

4 strikes and you are out on your ear buddy.

Just stay by the phone and try not to get into any trouble, OK? Here's $20. Buy yourself something nice.

[3irty1]

I'm of the opinion that there are no good guys in this story.

Kap was a douche and headcase, but he was also a millionaire in his 20's. I don't think he's a charlatan (yet) but neither is he acting out of altruism. On balance he's profiting from this. I also think he's done more harm than good to the legitimate cause of police accountability by making it so effortless to equate it with broader anti-American disaffection.

The NFL can't do anything right. They're censorious and can never escape the optics of having only the most mercenary loyalties. I don't know if Kap actually wants to play or not because its clear he doesn't trust these opportunities. The bad faith from both sides at this point is too much to overcome. They should have just left him alone to kneel and let the boomers rant on facebook about it. It was the right thing to do and he probably would have gone away faster to boot. Am I the only one who gets a chuckle out of the "Property of US Gov" sideline apparel this year? Just no self-awareness at all from these shills.

[Tony Oday]

APB You haven't called me a racist in a while. Must be losing your Lib Card.

I would rather have Hundley than CK.