Never too early 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[call_me_ishmael]

How do the Patriots stop the run and cover so affectively with slow ass Donta Hightower and old ass Jamie Collins? Let's just do what they do.

[run pMc]

How do the Patriots stop the run and cover so affectively with slow ass Donta Hightower and old ass Jamie Collins? Let's just do what they do.

They play in the AFC East. Also, they have Belichick, who is a defensive smart guy. Finally, Hightower and Collins were once pretty good athletes for their size, they've replaced that speed with smarts. I wouldn't trust either one to consistently provide pass coverage. They have ok safeties, plus Gilmore had a very good year.

[Cheesehead Craig]

How do the Patriots stop the run and cover so affectively with slow ass Donta Hightower and old ass Jamie Collins? Let's just do what they do.

We would have to hire Hoody Genius and then allow him to continue cheating.

[George Cumby]

How do the Patriots stop the run and cover so affectively with slow ass Donta Hightower and old ass Jamie Collins? Let's just do what they do.

Film the other team?

[GB-Brandon]

How do the Patriots stop the run and cover so affectively with slow ass Donta Hightower and old ass Jamie Collins? Let's just do what they do.

That is why I’m off the Mike Pettine train as even with what we had(which was a 100 percent healthy roster for the most part) he failed to be able to stop or even slow down there run game. So now that we know he is coming back the Packers are pretty much forced to get him significant upgrades at DE and ILB.

With his schemes he puts an awful lot on the plate of his one ILB and 2 DL he plays most of the time. What makes the performance even more maddening against Niners was we couldn’t even stop them when he went to 3-4 Base.

It was a total fail all the way around. I have a hard time believing a Bill Belichick coached team would lay such an egg regardless of personnel.

[mraynrand]

Film the other team?

There's film of everything. Packers got outcoached, outschemed, outphysicalled, outdesired, or more likely all of the above. Maybe ask 'Snubby' what was foremost on his mind - getting big splash sacks to show them idiots who selected pro bowlers, or playing within the scheme and winning a game.

[mraynrand]

I have a hard time believing a Bill Belichick coached team would lay such an egg regardless of personnel.

You (and everyone else) can make all the comparisons to 'Cheat that you want, and you will mostly always be right. But just know that it's too easy and too pat. Like saying "boy Red Auerbach and the 57-66 Celtics would never let that happen to them." Yep, right again, but does that really help analyze what's going on with the Packers rn? Maybe not so much.

Oh, BTW, you may have seen what happened to Bill this year with marginal O personnel.

[texaspackerbacker]

I would ask the people bad mouthing Martinez, would you rather replace him with a rookie - even a fairly highly drafted one? I'd say the only way we should lose Martinez is if we can sign somebody from another team who is clearly better.

Switching to a 4-3 would solve a lot of problems including Martinez needing to basically do the job of two players. 4-3 would also make the Smiths DEs, which they pretty much play like now. You'd then have OLBs behind them actually covering outside runs and short zones in the passing game.

[pbmax]

Wow, lots of candor from Gooter in the presser today. Sounds like WR and ILB are his targets and there is little chance the current ILB is back.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/202...ss-conference/

Holy Crap.

– On defensive line: “I really do like our defensive line group.” Likes Dean Lowry and Tyler Lancaster. Excited for Montravius Adams and Kinglsey Keke in 2020. Said he wouldn’t pass on adding a talented player along the line.

[pbmax]

– Gutekunst said he wanted to add another explosive offensive player at the trade deadline. Explored options. Didn’t like the value of some of the in-season trade opportunities.

Oh well.

[Joemailman]

It's clear he sees the ILB group as a bigger problem than DL. Of course, he may have just been propping up a group (DL) that's come in for a lot of criticism lately.

[GB-Brandon]

I would ask the people bad mouthing Martinez, would you rather replace him with a rookie - even a fairly highly drafted one? I'd say the only way we should lose Martinez is if we can sign somebody from another team who is clearly better.

Switching to a 4-3 would solve a lot of problems including Martinez needing to basically do the job of two players. 4-3 would also make the Smiths DEs, which they pretty much play like now. You'd then have OLBs behind them actually covering outside runs and short zones in the passing game.

Personally i like Martinez but based on what he is asked to do he isn’t good enough. That doesn’t mean he isn’t a good football player and can’t be used more effectively in a different situation like you shared(contributing in a 4-3). Yes, he had a lot of tackles but where were most of those tackles being made? He didn’t excel in pass coverage either. His PFF ranking this year was horrible and was the worst of his career. All of this with the combination of Pettine being hell bent on his scheme creates a scenario where paying Martinez big $ gives many a serious cause for concern that is warranted.

I am not certain there is anyone that will be available to us in the draft that can come in day 1 and full-fill what Pettine asked Martinez to do in 2019. In fact Isiah Simmons is probably the only guy in the draft I would even feel comfortable trying to do that with and he will be long gone by the time the Packers draft. The other option I could see is signing a guy like Cory Littleton and rolling the dice. He is “Great” in coverage and rated out considerably higher then Martinez overall. He is consistently around the ball and appears to be able to get to the sideline faster in pursuit. I’m thinking he will be somewhere around 4 years 50 million. I don’t believe the Rams will be able to afford him so he should make it to free agency.

With that said there still gonna need to improve the Lowry/Lancaster fiasco or it won’t matter who they sign at ILB.

[call_me_ishmael]

I would ask the people bad mouthing Martinez, would you rather replace him with a rookie - even a fairly highly drafted one? I'd say the only way we should lose Martinez is if we can sign somebody from another team who is clearly better.

Switching to a 4-3 would solve a lot of problems including Martinez needing to basically do the job of two players. 4-3 would also make the Smiths DEs, which they pretty much play like now. You'd then have OLBs behind them actually covering outside runs and short zones in the passing game.

Is it crazy to think they might give the dysfunctional Jets a call for another former Raven in the middle that TT and presumably Gooter absolutely loved a few years back?

[Joemailman]

Is it crazy to think they might give the dysfunctional Jets a call for another former Raven in the middle that TT and presumably Gooter absolutely loved a few years back?

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[GB-Brandon]

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I think he is talking about CJ Mosley. Never gonna happen. Good player but he is 1 year into an 85 million dollar contract with 50 guaranteed.