Never too early 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[run pMc]

I want my QB to take calculated risks, but generally be risk averse. I like that Rodgers is generally careful with the ball, but it's almost to a fault. My comment was more to the issue of the big receiver corps -- Rodgers isn't going to throw to these guys even though they have 5" or 6" on a CB, so they would be just as well served by a 6'1" guy who can run routes. Compare to some other QBs (including Bert Farve) who would put the ball up for a big receiver to outjump the CB for. I'd bet on Lazard to win more jumpballs than footraces.

I agree they need more speed. I think MVS gives them a deep threat so they aren't devoid of it. Speaking of him, he's had 2 years and how's his route running? I think some things can't be coached and I'm not sure MVS has them. You can run a 4.3 but if you round off your routes or don't know where the soft spot in a zone is a CB running a 4.5 can stay close enough to make Rodgers move on to his next read in the progression. Most of their WRs are UDFAs; they need better talent.

Basically I'm saying that I hope they prioritize routerunning/separation and production over speed or size. If all you can run is a 9 route vs. college CBs you'll be easy for a pro CB to defend.

Rodgers trusts Adams, Lazard, sometimes G-Mo. Don't know that he trusts Sternberger yet (didn't see many targets), but the scramble drill TD vs. SF bodes well.
I thought he would feed Graham more -- even force feed him a la Adams sometimes -- but that never really happened and I think it's because he can't separate anymore. Dude is 6'7" so it's not like you can't see him on the field.

[run pMc]

And regarding Martinez, I'd rather keep and augment him than replace him.

If the price was right, I'd be ok with this. What Blake does isn't hard to replace, though, so I wouldn't pay him what some other team might when they look at his durability and tackle stats. He won't win many races to the sideline vs. a RB and his pass coverage is suspect, but he lines up the D and can tackle everything if the DL keeps him clean. He isn't worth $8M/year when you have Rodgers' cap hit going up and A.Jones and D.Bahk becoming FA's next offseason. Part of me wonders if Blake is worth more than $4M/yr honestly.

Run stuffing ILBs aren't hard to find (ex. BJ Goodson). ILBs who can cover are tougher to find.

Gute needs to continue to add fast cover guys in the back 7 - Tramon is getting old and another CB wouldn't hurt. He's done well with Alexander and Savage.

[Bretsky]

You should have more INTs than fumbles.

This statement can be highly debateable either way. It's not simple either way.

On surface level what a great stat when you mimimize your INT's this much. But it also implies Rodgers is not taking chances and giving receivers the opportunity for any jump balls. I'd argue with our offense Favre would have many more TD's as well as Intercepttions. Because he was willing to give WR's the chance for the jump ball and those balls he threw were often catchable, but both offense and defense. How many great catches did Javon Walker come down with. Rodgers throws those balls away.

So I assume PB is implying we could easily take more risks knowing some will turn into TD's as well as occasional INT's.

With that being said, maybe part of the reason Rodgers rarly takes those chances is our WR's suck and they don't come down with the throws that need certain skills to adjust to. I don't know if that is the case or not, but just a thought

[Bretsky]

If the price was right, I'd be ok with this. What Blake does isn't hard to replace, though, so I wouldn't pay him what some other team might when they look at his durability and tackle stats. He won't win many races to the sideline vs. a RB and his pass coverage is suspect, but he lines up the D and can tackle everything if the DL keeps him clean. He isn't worth $8M/year when you have Rodgers' cap hit going up and A.Jones and D.Bahk becoming FA's next offseason. Part of me wonders if Blake is worth more than $4M/yr honestly.

Run stuffing ILBs aren't hard to find (ex. BJ Goodson). ILBs who can cover are tougher to find.

Gute needs to continue to add fast cover guys in the back 7 - Tramon is getting old and another CB wouldn't hurt. He's done well with Alexander and Savage.

I think a fair value is 7MIL/Year but I think he's going to get 9-12 from another team.

[ThunderDan]

Latest draft on Fanspeak:
OT AUSTIN JACKSON USC
TE COLE KMET NOTRE DAME
LB AKEEM DAVIS-GAITHER APPALACHIAN STATE
WR COLLIN JOHNSON TEXAS

Davis-Gaither would be a steal in the 3rd round. Looks like his Senior Bowl performance will get him to climb the draft boards. Small school player, big time player.

[mraynrand]

Seriously? hahahaha

Even if you aren't exhibiting Rand-level sarcasm and are serious, a fumble is about 50/50 to be recovered by our side, while a pick is a pick is a pick - straight to the other team.

The point pbmax was making wasn't about the relative damage of the two types of turnovers, but what their relative numbers indicate about the risk adverse nature of Rodgers. If over the course of the season he had 8 fumbles and 4 INTs, the argument is that it indicates he's taking far too few chances throwing downfield. The argument would be that if say the numbers were 8-10, the increase of 6 INTs might also mean a dramatic increase in big plays/TDs. I don't know if that's true or not, but at least I think this is the argument.


Edit: I see Bretsky also pretty much made this argument

[gbgary]

with rodgers' accuracy issues, at every distance, i'd rather have a wr with great hands and decent speed than great speed and decent hands. he might be more inclined to force a ball and make a play in that case. simply taking a sack (and risking a fumble or injury) or throwing it away (which he's setting records at) isn't getting them anything.

[mraynrand]

Just as important (maybe more) as hands is being on the same page. That amazing adjustment Adams made against Seattle has to be available with most (all?) of the other receivers too. If Rodgers remains distrustful of a receiver he simply won’t throw them the ball. May as well just put in another blocker or pass protector.

[Joemailman]

Just as important (maybe more) as hands is being on the same page. That amazing adjustment Adams made against Seattle has to be available with most (all?) of the other receivers too. If Rodgers remains distrustful of a receiver he simply won’t throw them the ball. May as well just put in another blocker or pass protector.

This is why I've kind of been on the Jalen Reagor bandwagon. I see him as kind of a fast version of Randall Cobb.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/j...gor/BdQaY3TtVR

Route Tree - Appreciate the nuance he brings to route releases to force false steps or create space before accelerating. He's shifty both at the LOS and when closing down on the toes of off defenders, showing great snap, footwork and pace. Movement skills to run any route in the tree.

Football IQ - Natural instinct here to win on different levels, shows good understanding of when he's got leverage and how to sell defenders on something other than his true intent. Much more polished and pro-ready than offense gave him the chance to showcase.

[smuggler]

And Raegor is bigger than Cobb, as well.

[Bretsky]

This is why I've kind of been on the Jalen Reagor bandwagon. I see him as kind of a fast version of Randall Cobb.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/j...gor/BdQaY3TtVR

Is this guy a burner in term of speed ? The two most popular WR picks on mock's is Reagor and Jefferson from LSU. Right now my bias would be with Jefferson. He seems like a combo of Greg Jennings and D Adams

[Joemailman]

Is this guy a burner in term of speed ? The two most popular WR picks on mock's is Reagor and Jefferson from LSU. Right now my bias would be with Jefferson. He seems like a combo of Greg Jennings and D Adams

Speed - Blazing fast runner who has track speed. One of the fasts game speed players in the class, regardless of position. Playing him off will create a lot of easy separation and catches underneath unless you bracket him. Minimal lag from snap to top speed, quick accelerator, too.

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http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap30...astest-players

Timed at 4.32 back in 2018. He'll be one to watch at the combine. That kind of speed is why I like him so much though. But it doesn't hurt.

9. Jalen Reagor, WR, TCU
Gary Patterson has brought his share of burners to TCU, and Reagor can compete with any of them. His 4.32-second 40-yard dash is the best current time in the program. Last year, he passed on the chance for January enrollment at TCU in order to compete in track as a high school senior. But he didn't need the advantage of spring practice to make an impact as a freshman. Reagor was selected the Big 12's co-Offensive Freshman of the Year after leading the team in receiving yards (576) and touchdowns (8, which was the most by any true freshman in the nation).

[texaspackerbacker]

We've already got our Davante Adams. What we need is not another similar guy; What we need is a burner - like Will Fuller to Deandre Hopkins, or like Tyreek Hill. reagor would be that. I'm not so sure we couldn't get somebody just about as good in the second round, though - Duvernay for example.

[GB-Brandon]

I’m seeing a lot of posters going after Reagor with our second pick(while I love it) I just don’t believe it will be realistic after the combine. There is strong possibility he will run sub 4.3 and jump over 40 inches. His numbers we’re down a little this season but that was due to horrible QB play. He is a first round talent that might make it to the middle to top of second round due to excess WR talent. IMO the Packers would have to trade up in second to get him. Someone will fall in love with his speed and ability to play bigger then his 5’11 frame way way before pick 62. Heck, there is a good chance Reagor doesn’t even make it to pick 30

If the Packers stick to there draft position in second round and address the WR position there I think Brandon Aiyuk will be the best available option for what is needed.

https://youtu.be/42o5FbxDW8k

Also, I don’t think Murray will be there at 30 but way better chance then Reagor at 62.

[Joemailman]

I’m seeing a lot of posters going after Reagor with our second pick(while I love it) I just don’t believe it will be realistic after the combine. There is strong possibility he will run sub 4.3 and jump over 40 inches. His numbers we’re down a little this season but that was due to horrible QB play. He is a first round talent that might make it to the middle to top of second round due to excess WR talent. IMO the Packers would have to trade up in second to get him. Someone will fall in love with his speed and ability to play bigger then his 5’11 frame way way before pick 62. Heck, there is a good chance Reagor doesn’t even make it to pick 30

If the Packers stick to there draft position in second round and address the WR position there I think Brandon Aiyuk will be the best available option for what is needed.

https://youtu.be/42o5FbxDW8k

Also, I don’t think Murray will be there at 30 but way better chance then Reagor at 62.

I posted the results of the mock that had Reagor taken at 62, but I agree that won't happen. I think the most likely scenario is that they either take Murray or Queen at 30 (If available). If not they trade down into the early 2nd round and take Reagor or some other WR.