Never too early 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[RashanGary]

I find it rather maddening that we have been on a “10 Year Plan” now to rebuild this defense and after “all the $” and “all the picks” invested we still don’t even have an above average ILB.

3 years ago I wanted them to change the direction on trying to build this “Championship Level Defense” and make a run at it with surrounding their “strength” which was obviously AR12. Yet here we are grasping at straws again and going back to the drawing board after our big Championship Level Defense got boat raced for record numbers in another playoff game.

The Chiefs defense wasn’t all that yet they won a Championship with an Elite QB and massive weapons along with a opportune defense. This has been the formula for us for years yet we fell short in the vision.

Hof QB who got it quick and is on rookie deal. 25 extra mil and we're looking at two more zadarius quality players

[GB-Brandon]

Hof QB who got it quick and is on rookie deal. 25 extra mil and we're looking at two more zadarius quality players

Agree. That’s a big part of it too which is I why I never bought into it. Just too many “moving parts” to put a championship defense together with the addition of “franchise QB contract.’ There is little margin for error with things such as the Gary pick or Josh Jones pick or the Josh Jackson pick or the Oren Burks pick etc etc.

[GB-Brandon]

I was talking bout Jeffrey Simmons last year. Beast

Oops. Sorry. Agreed!

[GB-Brandon]

That’s just flat out painful to look at.

Exactly!! So it’s my opinion you go get the guy or guys you need to make Lafluer’s scheme work efficiently NOW. I don’t care what round it is or if they have to trade up to get him and consolidate resources. If it takes using your top pick plus something then go for it. There is nothing to save up for anymore as those years have been wasted. 2020 is Super Bowl or Bust whether people like it or not. Counting on late round fliers to surprise us and potentially hit gold should not be the only tactical resource used to get this offense humming.

Maybe they make a big free agent move/trade which could change things or shake it up so we’ll see.

[pbmax]

Remember when we said that with Favre back in 2007 and everyone was saying we should sign Randy Moss. And then somehow the Old Gunslinger throws for 4,155 yards and 28 TDs.

I honestly believe you take BPA for the long-term benefit of the franchise.

I am forever on team BPA. Always helps when you hit on the picks (Jennings, Nelson). I am torn about this and will be until FA, but I don't think they can afford a vet to improve on Martinez and will get a vet WR to help (Sanders or similar). Other option might be a reclamation project DL like Wilkerson.

However, I would consider a move up if they somehow fill two of the holes in FA (WR, ILB, OL, DB).

Brandon, are all the WRs you mentioned available at pick 30?

[GB-Brandon]

We still have the combine but at this time Reagor or Aiyuk should be there. Possibly Shenault as he is all over the place and probably because of reports and discrepancies that he runs 4.5 or 4.3 which will be revealed at combine. I would be shocked if any of them made it to pick 62. There might be the opportunity to trade back a few spots as others have posted and still get one. It’s really gonna come down to when “the run” on receivers starts after the top few guys(Juedy ,Ruggs, Lamb) get taken cause everyone is gonna hop on the bus that needs a receiver if you know what I mean.

The Combine will be critical but then you have to go back and watch the tape to make sure the speed matches up there(among other things) so there will be a bit of a shake up I imagine on some the prospects and where they rank.

That’s about the best answer i can give at this time.

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I am forever on team BPA. Always helps when you hit on the picks (Jennings, Nelson). I am torn about this and will be until FA, but I don't think they can afford a vet to improve on Martinez and will get a vet WR to help (Sanders or similar). Other option might be a reclamation project DL like Wilkerson.

However, I would consider a move up if they somehow fill two of the holes in FA (WR, ILB, OL, DB).

Brandon, are all the WRs you mentioned available at pick 30?

does BPA offer any better chance at a player not being a bust? or are you still taking a 50/50 chance, but just on a player you don't need?

anyone done any number crunching?

drafting the BPA is still just as much of a crap shoot as taking anyone else

plus it all depends on what the GM thinks of a guy. gute thought gary was BPA last year, most people disagreed with him, but it didn't matter cause it was gutes pick

and as for WR, we need to sign a decent free agent. wrs take 2 or 3 years to develop. we don't have 2 or 3 years to wait for a guy to develop

[GB-Brandon]

does BPA offer any better chance at a player not being a bust? or are you still taking a 50/50 chance, but just on a player you don't need?

anyone done any number crunching?

drafting the BPA is still just as much of a crap shoot as taking anyone else

plus it all depends on what the GM thinks of a guy. gute thought gary was BPA last year, most people disagreed with him, but it didn't matter cause it was gutes pick

and as for WR, we need to sign a decent free agent. wrs take 2 or 3 years to develop. we don't have 2 or 3 years to wait for a guy to develop

I completely agree with you on your BPA theory. For example; If we would of drafted DK Metcalf with pick 12 some people would of called it a reach but at this stage of the game people would be giving Gute all the credit in the world for drafting him and some even would call him a genius. Considering the Packers weakness for playmakers on offense Metcalf would of been the BPA available in theory. I’m convinced “BPA” is a fancy thing GM’s say at the press conference after they draft players and not much more. In the end I believe you gotta go with guys you love that fit your scheme and can help you win.

As far as receivers taking 2-3 years to develop I disagree. DK Metcalf, AJ Brown and Deebo Samuel all carried there offenses to a degree this season as rookies. Yes, there still developing(which is great for there respective teams) but there rookie production was notable and helped their teams win games.

Now as far as the “Aaron Rodgers Needs time to Connect to Receivers” needs to go out to the trash can. We run a completely different scheme then back in the MM era that is designed to scheme guys open and the ball to come out and be delivered to the open guy on time. A almost 40 million a year franchise QB needs to make that throw to the open guy in the scheme and quit worrying about some Vulcan Mind Meld Connection. Period!

[Joemailman]

BPA is a real thing, although there may be times when there are 2 or more players at the top of a team's board with basically the same grade. This happened in 2009 when the Packers took Raji even though they had Michael Crabtree rated as high. Gary would seem to be an obvious BPA pick since Edge was obviously not an area of need after signing the Smiths. Drafting Metcalf in the 1st round would have been a real reach based on the scouting reports about him. In fact, drafting any WR at #12 likely would have been a reach, based on how the draft went. It's not like teams weren't interested in great WR's. The value just wasn't there.

[Bretsky]

I completely agree with you on your BPA theory. For example; If we would of drafted DK Metcalf with pick 12 some people would of called it a reach but at this stage of the game people would be giving Gute all the credit in the world for drafting him and some even would call him a genius. Considering the Packers weakness for playmakers on offense Metcalf would of been the BPA available in theory. I’m convinced “BPA” is a fancy thing GM’s say at the press conference after they draft players and not much more. In the end I believe you gotta go with guys you love that fit your scheme and can help you win.

As far as receivers taking 2-3 years to develop I disagree. DK Metcalf, AJ Brown and Deebo Samuel all carried there offenses to a degree this season as rookies. Yes, there still developing(which is great for there respective teams) but there rookie production was notable and helped their teams win games.

Now as far as the “Aaron Rodgers Needs time to Connect to Receivers” needs to go out to the trash can. We run a completely different scheme then back in the MM era that is designed to scheme guys open and the ball to come out and be delivered to the open guy on time. A almost 40 million a year franchise QB needs to make that throw to the open guy in the scheme and quit worrying about some Vulcan Mind Meld Connection. Period!

Agree completely with all of this. And you can add Hollywood Brown to the WR group as well. Injuries aside he had a huge impact with the Ravens. You can get guys that can help immediately assuming Rodgers gives them the opportunity, which he should.

[Bretsky]

BPA is a real thing, although there may be times when there are 2 or more players at the top of a team's board with basically the same grade. This happened in 2009 when the Packers took Raji even though they had Michael Crabtree rated as high. Gary would seem to be an obvious BPA pick since Edge was obviously not an area of need after signing the Smiths. Drafting Metcalf in the 1st round would have been a real reach based on the scouting reports about him. In fact, drafting any WR at #12 likely would have been a reach, based on how the draft went. It's not like teams weren't interested in great WR's. The value just wasn't there.

You really think Gary was the BPA over some of the offensives lineman still available ? They thought Gary was going to come in with his elite measurable ability and that is why one of the coaches referred to him so highly right after he was drafted. They wanted an absolutely elite defense with a terrorizing pass rush......a huge need......and ....a top 2-5 Defense . IMO they were going all in on defense

[Bretsky]

We still have the combine but at this time Reagor or Aiyuk should be there. Possibly Shenault as he is all over the place and probably because of reports and discrepancies that he runs 4.5 or 4.3 which will be revealed at combine. I would be shocked if any of them made it to pick 62. There might be the opportunity to trade back a few spots as others have posted and still get one. It’s really gonna come down to when “the run” on receivers starts after the top few guys(Juedy ,Ruggs, Lamb) get taken cause everyone is gonna hop on the bus that needs a receiver if you know what I mean.

The Combine will be critical but then you have to go back and watch the tape to make sure the speed matches up there(among other things) so there will be a bit of a shake up I imagine on some the prospects and where they rank.

That’s about the best answer i can give at this time.

I think if you can tap a top tier ILB you go there. If not, then you can strategize with WR's. A trade back would be ideal if your ILB's are gone.

If you get a top tier ILB in round one, then you see how the board is falling and wait til there are 2 WR's you love are left and then work to trade up in round 2

[GB-Brandon]

BPA is a real thing, although there may be times when there are 2 or more players at the top of a team's board with basically the same grade. This happened in 2009 when the Packers took Raji even though they had Michael Crabtree rated as high. Gary would seem to be an obvious BPA pick since Edge was obviously not an area of need after signing the Smiths. Drafting Metcalf in the 1st round would have been a real reach based on the scouting reports about him. In fact, drafting any WR at #12 likely would have been a reach, based on how the draft went. It's not like teams weren't interested in great WR's. The value just wasn't there.

If you could magically turn back the hands of time and you could either keep Gary or take Metcalf instead which one would you take?

I personally would take Metcalf and run. I’m not sure how Gary has any real high value other then measurables and combine numbers while looking good in the uniform because it sure wasn’t his tape or production college. I understand GM’s are trying to project these players to the next level but IMO Gary’s lack of production didn’t make him a top 12 talent or even close to BPA. Maybe “Best Athlete Available”. Big difference.

How much “Value” did Tony Mandarich have for that matter?

In Metcalf’s case he dropped because of a bad “3 cone time” but his production in college was there so everybody got it wrong because of 3 cone drill and concern over his route tree. Just Ridiculous! Looking back I’m not sure that a guy that can run that fast and is that big with his strength and explosion that can track a ball downfield and catch it(which he showed in college)isn’t worthy of a top 12 pick to be just insane.

Metcalf certainly put tape down and production as rookie to merit the “Value” of a top 12 pick. Meanwhile Gary struggled to even get snaps over Kyler Fackrell.

So Metcalf Projected both physically and with tape. Nobody would of blinked an eye if the Packers would of drafted Metcalf 12th and called us crazy. In fact, when Gary was selected at the bar I was at next to Lambeau everyone was disgusted and most people left. Many people wanted Metcalf at 12.

[Bretsky]

If you could magically turn back the hands of time and you could either keep Gary or take Metcalf instead which one would you take?

I personally would take Metcalf and run. I’m not sure how Gary has any real high value other then measurables and combine numbers while looking good in the uniform because it sure wasn’t his tape or production college. I understand GM’s are trying to project these players to the next level but IMO Gary’s lack of production didn’t make him a top 12 talent or even close to BPA. Maybe “Best Athlete Available”. Big difference.

How much “Value” did Tony Mandarich have for that matter?

In Metcalf’s case he dropped because of a bad “3 cone time” but his production in college was there so everybody got it wrong because of 3 cone drill and concern over his route tree. Just Ridiculous! Looking back I’m not sure that a guy that can run that fast and is that big with his strength and explosion that can track a ball downfield and catch it(which he showed in college)isn’t worthy of a top 12 pick to be just insane.

Metcalf certainly put tape down and production as rookie to merit the “Value” of a top 12 pick. Meanwhile Gary struggled to even get snaps over Kyler Fackrell.

So Metcalf Projected both physically and with tape. Nobody would of blinked an eye if the Packers would of drafted Metcalf 12th and called us crazy. In fact, when Gary was selected at the bar I was at next to Lambeau everyone was disgusted and most people left. Many people wanted Metcalf at 12.

NO SECRET where I've stood on this one from the day he was drafted. I hated the Gary piick. He was the 3rd best LB on the Michigan team. When Wisconsin played Michigan, they didn't worry about Gary.

Denver was taking calls but reportedly by both ESPN and NFL network did not want to trade down far. Guter dropped the ball and let Pittsburg jump us and get the perfect ILB for our system.

To your question, without hesitation I'd take Metcalf.

But even on draft day, I'd have taken several players ahead of Gary.

[GB-Brandon]

I think if you can tap a top tier ILB you go there. If not, then you can strategize with WR's. A trade back would be ideal if your ILB's are gone.

If you get a top tier ILB in round one, then you see how the board is falling and wait til there are 2 WR's you love are left and then work to trade up in round 2

Yeah If Murray is on the board at 30 then maybe you pull the trigger based on how the WR’s are moving off the board and trade up in 2nd. You could do it vice versa as well depending on what’s moving. If they ended up with Reagor or Aiyuk and Jordyn Brooks or Murray I would be stoked. They would most likely have to give up there 3rd and maybe more to get it done though.