Never too early 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[call_me_ishmael]

Adrian Amos strikes me as just a guy, but I am also just a guy, so what do I know. I would love to land a big fella like the Iowa lad Nutz mentioned above.

[pbmax]

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Wisconsin’s Zach Baun, the third-rated linebacker on Mel Kiper Jr.’s board, notified all 32 teams that he testified positive for a diluted sample at the combine that he blamed on drinking too much water for weight-related weigh-in purposes, per league sources.

I did not realize you need to ingest increased water to go along with your creatine intake.

[call_me_ishmael]

^ so is the thought that he's taking banned substances? Yikes.

[GB-Brandon]

Adrian Amos strikes me as just a guy, but I am also just a guy, so what do I know. I would love to land a big fella like the Iowa lad Nutz mentioned above.

Well they spent 4 year 37 million for that “Just a Guy”.

[GB-Brandon]

Sheesh, I guess Pettine needs first round picks and high priced free agents at every position on the field to run a competent defense.

[pbmax]

Well they spent 4 year 37 million for that “Just a Guy”.

Its 14th in the League for safeties in yearly average.

There is nothing wrong with Amos but he's probably not a Top 5 SS.

[pbmax]

Sheesh, I guess Pettine needs first round picks and high priced free agents at every position on the field to run a competent defense.

That is a very good question.

The Packers have made a tremendous investments on defense since 2011 with picks and lately with FA (plus Peppers). And they had about 3-4 average defenses to show for it.

The Packers prioritize passing D as they expect to have a lead to protect with their offense. But that formula has broken down, first on D and then on O as they did not invest enough resources on skill position talent.

They have to resolve that tension to get past the 49ers.

[GB-Brandon]

Its 14th in the League for safeties in yearly average.

There is nothing wrong with Amos but he's probably not a Top 5 SS.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/pro-football-focus-adrian-amos-cusp-elite-status

He has flirted with being one of the best in the game during his career.

I have no problem with Amos as he has finally brought some stability back there.

To me this is all on Mike Pettine. I think he is a Giant Fraud. He had some success with the Jets but he was with Rex Ryan and they amassed a warchest of talent on defense.

I have zero faith giving Pettine another 1st round pick will make us any better on defense.

[Deputy Nutz]

Well they spent 4 year 37 million for that “Just a Guy”.

That's less than 10 mill a year, not elite salary for a player that is not elite or top 5 in the league.

[wist43]

That is a very good question.

The Packers have made a tremendous investments on defense since 2011 with picks and lately with FA (plus Peppers). And they had about 3-4 average defenses to show for it.

The Packers prioritize passing D as they expect to have a lead to protect with their offense. But that formula has broken down, first on D and then on O as they did not invest enough resources on skill position talent.

They have to resolve that tension to get past the 49ers.

One of the problems was that they just drafted guys without thought about how they would fit - then of course Capers did nothing to adapt to the talent he had.

Conversely, look at how the Pats have historically looked at drafting players. They make a Wildass reach of a pick, and everybody slams them; but, they pick players with specific roles in mind, and then coach them and scheme them to succeed in those roles.

It is why I want a guy like Amik Robertson. We desperately need a slot corner... Robertson would be perfect. Don't draft a 6'2" corner who might have upside outside, but then throw him in the slot and expect him to excel.

We've thrown a lot of resources at defense over the years, but those resources have not been well spent. I think Gute and Pettine are on the right track, and the defense has made strides.

[wist43]

There you go getting carried away about the Packers secondary. They are no where near elite.


AJ Epenesa has been dropping due to his poor combine. He was once promoted as a sure fire top 15 pick. He is 6'6" 280 pounds and what would you think of him as the Packers' first round draft pick? He is a very solid pass rusher and would look good in the Packers nickel and dime schemes getting after the passer.

I know he's got the production, but he's the poster child for pedestrian athlete. I have a real hard time getting behind taking him in the 1st.

I see him as a 2nd rounder. He's got some good attributes - strong hands, good hand fighter, savvy pass rusher, stout at the point; but, good God he's got all the athleticism of a snail.

Somebody will take him before pick 62, I hope it's not us.

[smuggler]

I am not down on Pettine, but I do feel the defense needs to improve. They need one more horse on the DL

[GB-Brandon]

One of the problems was that they just drafted guys without thought about how they would fit - then of course Capers did nothing to adapt to the talent he had.

Conversely, look at how the Pats have historically looked at drafting players. They make a Wildass reach of a pick, and everybody slams them; but, they pick players with specific roles in mind, and then coach them and scheme them to succeed in those roles.

It is why I want a guy like Amik Robertson. We desperately need a slot corner... Robertson would be perfect. Don't draft a 6'2" corner who might have upside outside, but then throw him in the slot and expect him to excel.

We've thrown a lot of resources at defense over the years, but those resources have not been well spent. I think Gute and Pettine are on the right track, and the defense has made strides.

I don’t see giving up a rushing record performance to Raheem Mostert(who they made look like Jim Brown) in the NFC Champ game “making strides” or “being on the right track” when considering what was invested. The Niners threw the ball 8 times.

The prior week against a beat up and ravaged Seahawks offense the defense almost blew that game too as they appeared gas’d in the 2nd half.

This was nowhere near having a “Championship Level Defense” as advertised. What’s worrisome is the defense had max good health last year for the most part too. The old “injury excuse” couldn’t even be used.

We probably won’t be as lucky this year. This has been going on for ten years now and it’s past pathetic.

[GB-Brandon]

That is a very good question.

The Packers have made a tremendous investments on defense since 2011 with picks and lately with FA (plus Peppers). And they had about 3-4 average defenses to show for it.

The Packers prioritize passing D as they expect to have a lead to protect with their offense. But that formula has broken down, first on D and then on O as they did not invest enough resources on skill position talent.

They have to resolve that tension to get past the 49ers.

I agree. Until they get an offense that can strike the fear in opposing defenses again this Smoke & Mirror defense wont get it done. It’s not strong or stout enough to just line up and win games that way against the better teams.

[Deputy Nutz]

Sheesh, I guess Pettine needs first round picks and high priced free agents at every position on the field to run a competent defense.

It is sort of pathetic when you look at all the investment on defense and recognizing that they have made mistakes in the draft on talent. The Packers just haven't had a good defense since 2007 and 2010. Look at the miss on Perry, and Jones, even the foul tip on King.