The stats are clear, the extended passing play is dead in GB

[pbmax]

I blame either Rodgers, M4, or a combo. Whomever is calling all 7, 8, or 9 on the route tree for all receivers on a given play. So many times an underneath route would be open if they would just call it.

I think that has changed over the course of the year. Rodgers almost sounds as if he wants to stop those routes. LaFleur talked about the Lions game like deep was part of the plan.

[texaspackerbacker]

blame? sheeeeesh, we are 13-3 for crying out loud.

[call_me_ishmael]

Different offense. Rodgers has evolved into a better field general and less of a gun slinger

I like this offense

But the numbers suggest he is running the offense *less* than in years past. Too many non-effective extended plays.

[call_me_ishmael]

Still don’t know who’s bright idea the large slot receiver was.

Heh, I've been wondering this for a couple years now. What's with the infatuation with big 6'3"+ receivers? I, personally, prefer smaller, quicker guys. Why? I dunno, just do. I hope we can add a few wideouts that can win on skill and technique of excellent route running vs physical size/gifts.

[Joemailman]

Heh, I've been wondering this for a couple years now. What's with the infatuation with big 6'3"+ receivers? I, personally, prefer smaller, quicker guys. Why? I dunno, just do. I hope we can add a few wideouts that can win on skill and technique of excellent route running vs physical size/gifts.

I think you'll see this. A first year coach has to pretty much coach the guys he's got. I think you'll see Gutey draft a couple quicker guys. It's why I've been pushing Jalen Reagor of TCU.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...mock-draft-4.0

30.

Packers
Jalen Reagor
WR, TCU
The Green Bay Packers have plenty of size at wide receiver and offer some notable speed as well. But what about short-area quickness and run after catch skills? Jalen Reagor offers a different dynamic to the Packers' offense and will help further stress opposing defenses in trying to contain Matt LeFleur's passing attack in the NFC North.

[texaspackerbacker]

As somebody said, 50/50 or whatever between LaFleur's offense and McCarthy's - actually more accurately, Aaron Rodgers'. I like the fact that LaFleur has subordinated his ego that 50% or so to doing what Aaron Rodgers does best.

The title of this thread is bogus. The only reason we haven't seen more extended plays and deep passes is that this group of receivers isn't suited for that speed-wise. That is not a knock on Lazard or Kumerow. I think they would be much more effective if we had a speed burner spreading out the defense more. Adams too. I don't know of this Reager guy, but if he's fast and can catch, I like the idea.

[pbmax]

I think you'll see this. A first year coach has to pretty much coach the guys he's got. I think you'll see Gutey draft a couple quicker guys. It's why I've been pushing Jalen Reagor of TCU.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...mock-draft-4.0

I hope your second career as his agent goes well Mailman!

[pbmax]

As somebody said, 50/50 or whatever between LaFleur's offense and McCarthy's - actually more accurately, Aaron Rodgers'. I like the fact that LaFleur has subordinated his ego that 50% or so to doing what Aaron Rodgers does best.

The title of this thread is bogus. The only reason we haven't seen more extended plays and deep passes is that this group of receivers isn't suited for that speed-wise. That is not a knock on Lazard or Kumerow. I think they would be much more effective if we had a speed burner spreading out the defense more. Adams too. I don't know of this Reager guy, but if he's fast and can catch, I like the idea.

tex, he had at least 3 deep guys against the Lions with a step on the defender. He completed none of them. All were overthrows.

Used to be a huge part of the offense but its been gone for a while. Lazard had a big sideline catch a few games ago, MVS had a huge one months ago, but that has been about it.

I do believe that the receivers are part of the problem, but those throws are on Rodgers.

[Zool]

He had a 4th with a step in Jesus, but he underthrew that one. His deep touch is missing.

[texaspackerbacker]

tex, he had at least 3 deep guys against the Lions with a step on the defender. He completed none of them. All were overthrows.

Used to be a huge part of the offense but its been gone for a while. Lazard had a big sideline catch a few games ago, MVS had a huge one months ago, but that has been about it.

I do believe that the receivers are part of the problem, but those throws are on Rodgers.

What I saw - with one or two exceptions maybe - was receivers just barely open, and Rodgers erring on the side of caution, throwing it where the defender had no chan ce even though the Packer had very little chance. And I wouldn't want it any other way.

Also, "dead" means never coming back in my book. Get a decent speed burner receiver, and I'm pretty sure we'll see some bombs again.

All that being said, yes, even I see Rodgers being slightly less - maybe only about 98.5% of what he has been most of his career. I'll take 98.5% of him over 100% of anybody else who has ever played.

[Bretsky]

no surprise with this but it's nice to see some facts to back it up.

a combo of sub part talent at WR and TE combined with Rodgers not consistently missing the deep ball throw has been apparent all year

[smuggler]

I think that has changed over the course of the year. Rodgers almost sounds as if he wants to stop those routes. LaFleur talked about the Lions game like deep was part of the plan.

BINGO. This is what I see. Rodgers and the offense are testing the intermediate and deep passing game when the short passing game is working and it is killing drives because we do not have the horses for it, at least not in the grand design sort of way. The game against the Lions was just as much Aaron having a shitty game, but like an ace without his best stuff Rodgers and the offense made a few adjustments to make the dream come true.

If Rodgers gets that off against a playoff caliber team, we are done. Flat out.

[Fritz]

He had a 4th with a step in Jesus, but he underthrew that one. His deep touch is missing.

I have to laugh at Rodgers talking about receivers' timing of long routes being "off." At least three times he had guys open deep and overthrew, plain and simple. Then Kumerow wide open in the fourth and Rodgers badly underthrew him.

Yes, receiving corps is limited, but Rodgers doesn't take responsibility for his part in it.

[Smidgeon]

I have to laugh at Rodgers talking about receivers' timing of long routes being "off." At least three times he had guys open deep and overthrew, plain and simple. Then Kumerow wide open in the fourth and Rodgers badly underthrew him.

Yes, receiving corps is limited, but Rodgers doesn't take responsibility for his part in it.

He did in the last game.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I have to laugh at Rodgers talking about receivers' timing of long routes being "off." At least three times he had guys open deep and overthrew, plain and simple. Then Kumerow wide open in the fourth and Rodgers badly underthrew him.

Yes, receiving corps is limited, but Rodgers doesn't take responsibility for his part in it.

If the wankers were faster, they woulda caught those overthrown bombs.

Btw: PackersNews has a recent article on Lazard. Confirmed Lizard being half-Aryan, not that there’s anything wrong wit dat. We’re all Homo Sapiens, yo. PM me if anyone wants to read said article or the “Extended Play is Dead” one. I’m keeping my subscription til the Packers’ season ends - hopefully not til sometime in February.