2020 NFL Draft: Underated vs Overated players.

[Zool]

Like is this your gimmick? Self promotion or not he is working to get better, and most importantly recognizes that he has to get better. Gary turning into a player only benefits your team. We are all well aware that you didn't like the pick or the rookie productions, I think a lot of people are on board with that same assessment, but when people dare to see the optimism of the player you sort of piss all over it, whats the point? If he fails where does that get you?

Also, the tape wasn't that bad, there were a lot of great things on his tape. The mystery was simply when you add the talent, the measurables, combine numbers, and skill put on tape and it all adds up to his lack of production there is a huge issue there, especially when it wasn't for a lack of effort or hustle.

I said it before, B would rather be right about Gary, then Gary actually turning out to be good. At least on this forum. Anything short of all-pro and Gary will be considered a bust by most/all.

[pbmax]

Tua is falling down some draft boards if Twitter chatter can be believed (it can't; but possibly Nutz had this right)

Mike Tanier @MikeTanier

Folks are just realizing that Tua's tape wasn't all that spectacular before the injury, aren't they?

[smuggler]

I'm thinking Gary will never really become a successful pass rusher, but he can still be a contributor on our team. Really would have liked to get the DT that went to the bills - Ed Oliver.

[Deputy Nutz]

Tua is falling down some draft boards if Twitter chatter can be believed (it can't; but possibly Nutz had this right)

Mike Tanier @MikeTanier

Folks are just realizing that Tua's tape wasn't all that spectacular before the injury, aren't they?

Watch the LSU game, he is also throwing to 4 first round draft picks.

[wist43]

I said it before, B would rather be right about Gary, then Gary actually turning out to be good. At least on this forum. Anything short of all-pro and Gary will be considered a bust by most/all.

I still have hope for Gary... hoping we see a jump in his play and production this year.

Year 2 for Savage as well... hoping the secondary, having a couple of years together will begin to solidify.

[Deputy Nutz]

I'm thinking Gary will never really become a successful pass rusher, but he can still be a contributor on our team. Really would have liked to get the DT that went to the bills - Ed Oliver.

This doesn't help as Oliver went before the Packers drafted. I think the Packers woudl have been happy with Oliver as well, I thought the Packers would have draft several other guys, but that didn't happen. The best I can do is try to do is understand why the Packers went with Gary, and how that could work out for the best.

[pbmax]

I still have hope for Gary... hoping we see a jump in his play and production this year.

Year 2 for Savage as well... hoping the secondary, having a couple of years together will begin to solidify.

I think Savage is going to be just fine.

[smuggler]

Short of injury I'm pretty confident Savage will be good. Nutz I know Oliver went ahead of us, just lamenting it. Gary could be a good player yet. Not who I would have picked, but can't do anything but hope for the best.

[Bretsky]

I said it before, B would rather be right about Gary, then Gary actually turning out to be good. At least on this forum. Anything short of all-pro and Gary will be considered a bust by most/all.

Whatever floats your boat

[Bretsky]

Tua is falling down some draft boards if Twitter chatter can be believed (it can't; but possibly Nutz had this right)

Mike Tanier @MikeTanier

Folks are just realizing that Tua's tape wasn't all that spectacular before the injury, aren't they?

Do you draft him if he's there at 30 ? Can't imagine he would be....but do you ?

[Deputy Nutz]

Do you draft him if he's there at 30 ? Can't imagine he would be....but do you ?

I still can't see him dropping out of the top ten, but if he free falled because you got guys still out there in free agency that teams like better than Tua I still can't see him getting to 30. If he did get to 30 I would trade out of that pick for 2020 draft picks and 2021. If you couldn't trade out, and there are not players you value there then take him and develop him. Rodgers's contract is so massive and guaranteed that I don't know how much capital you want invested in the back up position. Rodgers would have to retire within the next 4 seasons otherwise you probably lose Tua to free agency.

[wist43]

I think Savage is going to be just fine.

I agree... the whole secondary could be a little loose at times last year, but I think a lot of that was growing pains and game plan.

I think Pettine started to get things tightened up near the end of the year... excited to see what that group can become.

[pbmax]

I still can't see him dropping out of the top ten, but if he free falled because you got guys still out there in free agency that teams like better than Tua I still can't see him getting to 30. If he did get to 30 I would trade out of that pick for 2020 draft picks and 2021. If you couldn't trade out, and there are not players you value there then take him and develop him. Rodgers's contract is so massive and guaranteed that I don't know how much capital you want invested in the back up position. Rodgers would have to retire within the next 4 seasons otherwise you probably lose Tua to free agency.

I think this is Gute's hope. Someone will want to trade up for a low 1st/high 2nd QB talent AND get the fifth year option. So he is all but advertising his interest in QBs in a press conference two weeks ago and again with the Jordan Love remote interview.

[mraynrand]

Rodgers's contract is so massive and guaranteed that I don't know how much capital you want invested in the back up position. Rodgers would have to retire within the next 4 seasons otherwise you probably lose Tua to free agency.

This is true, but QBs often retire suddenly, and not voluntarily. You have to shore up that next franchise QB position. I thought they might do it last year already. If a guy they like drops to them, I can't see how they pass it up. Even in today's touch football NFL, Rodgers could easily be gone just like that.

Aikman, 34, gone. Young, 38, gone, Marino, 38, gone, Flacco, 34, done, Eli Manning, 38 (well overdone), etc. etc. etc. Mid thirties is deadly in general. Maybe assume Rodgers can make it two more years. Draft next QB right now.

[run pMc]

I still can't see him dropping out of the top ten, but if he free falled because you got guys still out there in free agency that teams like better than Tua I still can't see him getting to 30. If he did get to 30 I would trade out of that pick for 2020 draft picks and 2021. If you couldn't trade out, and there are not players you value there then take him and develop him. Rodgers's contract is so massive and guaranteed that I don't know how much capital you want invested in the back up position. Rodgers would have to retire within the next 4 seasons otherwise you probably lose Tua to free agency.

Yeah, I think it's a year early to draft a QB high. I could see them going after a mid-to-late round guy to develop, but they are basically locked in to having Rodgers as their starter for the next 3 years. Drafting a QB high doesn't help them this year or next, and they need to do all they can to keep the 'window' open with him. Of course, if the bottom falls out or injuries hit Rodgers they'll likely be in a better spot to take a QB high. I see the logic in drafting for one before you need one, but I just think it's a year (or 2 maybe) too soon.