Robinson signed to two year deal

[digitaldean]

Some of this may hinge on testimony of if he was driving irradically, or just very fast. People do beat these things far too often, especially if its close.

You're right, they beat these raps too often. Just in today's paper - they finally sentenced a guy to prison for 38 years for manslaughter - guy rolled a little kid on a bike up on and through his windshield - dead kid. How many chances did this guy get - well, he was a 12 TIME DUI offender! But hey, I'm sure everyone has driven drunk from time to time. No worries - unless it's your kid or your family that you're sealing into that pine box FOREVER.

Diehard Packer fan that I am... I HATE THIS MOVE!

Yes, he has talent. But guess what, he is probably going to get suspended for the year. He also has a suspended sentence in Wash., provided he kept himself out of trouble.

He said in Minn. that he was on the straight and narrow. Result: Even though he knows that 1 more strike takes away a season, he goes on a bender. Gets into a high speed chase with the police.

He says he's in treatment again. All we need is some innocent bystander getting killed because he plows into them with his car when drunk.

Who's his agent, Mossy Cade?

Does he have talent, yes.

Should the Packers have signed him? NO!!!

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

What trouble could he possibly get in, in wisconsin?

[Patler]

You gotta be kidding, you are aware of the circumstances? I admire your posts 99% of the time but this is insane....He's sitting on a felony for fleeing the police. He blew a 1.1 . He's sitting on a one year suspention and a probation for the same shit...what the fuck is wrong with you guys?

Calm down a bit. I didn't say I approve. I was just suggesting what you might hear as an argument. In fact I thought I made it clear that I didn't approve of what he did. Other than Robinson, no one is likely to ever know all the facts. Someone else said the blood test was .09, which might be what the prosecutor will be stuck with rather than the breathalizer's .11.

Believe me, the defense will be something like I said, and what someone else suggested as far as "fleeing". He didn't know he was being chased, they were too far away. Once he realized it, he stopped immediately and cooperated. (AGAIN, NOT SAYING I BELIEVE THIS, but you can expect the argument, or something like it.)

I personally believe OJ is a murderer. But he got off.

Robinson will plead guilty only if he has something worked out as far as the penalty, and maybe even with the league. Otherwise he will fight this because he has too much to lose. If he does fight it you will hear amazing fables and stories, and as I wrote before, TOO OFTEN THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL.

The other reality of this situation is that the NFL has backed out of a lot of suspensions for a number of players when it did not relate to illegal drugs, especially when it is alcohol. The problem is the disease vs. choice situation that surrounds alcoholism. Many businesses struggle with it too, for fear that if it is contested based on being discrimination because of a health condition (alcoholism the disease), their whole drug policy could suffer.

Clearly Robinson needs to be held accountable for whatever a judge or jury determines he is guilty of. But this is likely to play out over many months.

[Guiness]

Well - jail can be staved off for a bit, anyways. Lots of ways to slow down the court system for a couple of months.

I'm seriously surprised the NFL hasn't moved yet. Generally in situations like this, they suspend first, and wait for an appeal later. Anyone have any clue why they haven't done this yet?

The NFL moves quicky with players who fail the NFL administered screening tests. When its in a drug situation totally in legal system the league usually holds off until the outcome. They don't want to get caught having suspended a player who is subsequently found not guilty. The league administered tests have pre-approved conditions between the league and the NFLPA.

As far as the league is concerned, its only an allegation at this point.

Got it - if he'd peed in an NFL official bottle, he'd be suspended now. Because he peed in an unlicensed bottle, they won't recognize it.

Same way they run the rest of their business

[CaptainKickass]

Remember when drunks used to be so much FUN? Like Uncle Billy in "It's a wonderful life", stumbling over garbage can's yelling "I'm all right, I'm all right." on his way home to blissful oblivion.


Where it's really fun is when your friend gets clobbered by a drunk driving 90 mph through a red light, killing her husband and two children, and you get to be the one to tell her about when she wakes up in the hospital paralyzed from the waist down. Why are you telling her and not her family (Parents and sisters)? Well, they were all killed by a drunk when she was in college. So yes, I'm all in favor of the Koren Robinson aquisition, who cares if the happy-go-lucky guy wants to party it up and drived stoned - just so long as he can catch a TD pass on Sunday. Yay Packers!

I detect a hint of sarcasm in that there post.

K-Rob = bad character move. Have you guys ever known a repeat DUI offender? I'm talking 3 or more DUI's. Guess what - it's like crack - they can't keep off it and they will continue to offend until they kill or get killed. I don't care how much talent a guy has.

What get's me is that in the offseason, TT wouldn't make a move for any other character risks with high talent - such as the most profound WR in the league (T.O.) Or how about some O-Line, weren't there some vet's with talent but questionable personalities?

If I'm taking a risk on a high talent low character guy - why in the f'n hell does it have to be this guy?

[oregonpackfan]

As Packer fans, we have been debating whether or not this signing is beneficial to the Packers.

Perhaps the question that really needs to be asked is: Is playing pro football at this juncture in his recovery the best thing for Koren Robinson? Is pro football enabling him with his alcholism disease by allowing him to play? Or should he be putting his full attention in reaching and retaining his sobriety?

Perhaps part of his sobriety program is doing what he does best(playing pro football) while trying to get sober. I truly do not know what is the best course of action for this young man.

The bottom line is that he has to get sober and stay sober on a long term basis whether that includes pro football or not.


OPF

[Patler]

Got it - if he'd peed in an NFL official bottle, he'd be suspended now. Because he peed in an unlicensed bottle, they won't recognize it.

Same way they run the rest of their business

Yup, that's pretty much it! In some ways it makes some sense. The league and the players association have agreed on procedures for testing and probably even the labs that do the testing. When it falls outside the procedures and facilities, neither side wants to automatically accept it. Almost like an approved supplier to a manufacturer, less paperwork for each individual transaction compared to an unapproved supplier!

[woodbuck27]

Not to spam the thread, but as far as on the field goes, this really helps the team a lot. Assuming he is going to be able to play this year, we now have a decent #2 or #3 receiver and an excellent returner.

Right on move. What do we really have to loose?

Solid Ted ! That's a fine step.

If he goes down in flames that is 100 % on Koren Robinson.The flip side is this may turn his life around. Maybe?

He has a tough battle and "the Packers" to support that.

Otherwise anyone who risks a DUI is't acting reotely smart.

Getting behind the wheel of a car loaded (now he was at bet. 0.09 and 0.11 depended on the time of testing) so he may have been not exactly loaded but he took a risk that endangered the Publis and that isn't right.

Koren Robinson needs serious help now.
Having something to do that he's more than just OK at will assist him in focusing on a proper recovery fr.alcoholism.

I'm glad that Ted Thomson stepped up in this signing.

Packers ! Fan Faith in 2006 !

[Patler]

As Packer fans, we have been debating whether or not this signing is beneficial to the Packers.

Perhaps the question that really needs to be asked is: Is playing pro football at this juncture in his recovery the best thing for Koren Robinson? Is pro football enabling him with his alcholism disease by allowing him to play? Or should he be putting his full attention in reaching and retaining his sobriety?

Perhaps part of his sobriety program is doing what he does best(playing pro football) while trying to get sober. I truly do not know what is the best course of action for this young man.

The bottom line is that he has to get sober and stay sober on a long term basis whether that includes pro football or not.


OPF

Those are difficult questions. Alcoholism, whether disease or choice is a perplexing condition. I'm sure many if not all of us have personal experiences with it through a friend, relative, neighbor or even ourselves. For some, work is a cause, for others it is a refuge.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I hate this move. It's a disgrace. In my book, this is strike 2 against Thompson. Big deal. He might help to win a game on a kickoff return. We win 5 or 6 games--instead of 4 or 5. Mike McCarthy talks about Packer People and we bring in this guy. Brad Childress and the Vikings say they are going to clean house, and they cut guys like this and suspend Dwight Smith for a game for getting a citation. You don't win in the long run with guys like this. He may be a great guy, but he's failed a drug test, had two DUIs, and ran from police at over 100 MPHs. There's also been reports that he showed up for his DUI trial drunk and other things. He's an alcholic who needs to get his life in order--rather than be coddled yet again.

[GBRulz]

I wonder what the going rate would be for TT's direct # and email addy?

[Terry]

As Packer fans, we have been debating whether or not this signing is beneficial to the Packers.

Perhaps the question that really needs to be asked is: Is playing pro football at this juncture in his recovery the best thing for Koren Robinson? Is pro football enabling him with his alcholism disease by allowing him to play? Or should he be putting his full attention in reaching and retaining his sobriety?

Perhaps part of his sobriety program is doing what he does best(playing pro football) while trying to get sober. I truly do not know what is the best course of action for this young man.

Exactly! Finally, 8 pages into the thread. Thank you and well said! My questions exactly.

[the_idle_threat]

Right on move. What do we really have to lose?

I'm late to the party here, and most of the cogent points have been made. I'm in complete agreement with superfan, Harv, Rastak, et al. I don't like the signing because I don't think it's worth it in the long run.

What do we have to lose? Well ... nothing on the football field ... but it's just a game. Bringing someone into the community whose life philosophy is "fuck it" could have serious consequences off the football field for some citizens of the community, and that would not be a game.

The real question is ... what do we have to gain, realistically, and is it really worth it? K-Rob will not improve the o-line nor the defensive backfield. Our vets need to get their acts together, and our young guys need to step up. I predict the team will play better after half a dozen games or so, but it will be because these two things have happened, not because we signed this guy out of desperation.

Of course, we do need a kick returner, as Noah Herron has no business playing NFL ball, but I wonder why we targeted K-Rob and not Willie Ponder.

[Joemailman]

I hate this move. It's a disgrace. In my book, this is strike 2 against Thompson. Big deal. He might help to win a game on a kickoff return. We win 5 or 6 games--instead of 4 or 5. Mike McCarthy talks about Packer People and we bring in this guy. Brad Childress and the Vikings say they are going to clean house, and they cut guys like this and suspend Dwight Smith for a game for getting a citation. You don't win in the long run with guys like this. He may be a great guy, but he's failed a drug test, had two DUIs, and ran from police at over 100 MPHs. There's also been reports that he showed up for his DUI trial drunk and other things. He's an alcholic who needs to get his life in order--rather than be coddled yet again.

I too have my doubts about this move. However, I think it is fair to assume that Ted Thompson, who drafted Robinson, knows some things about him that we don't. I wouldn't assume that Robinson is going to be "coddled" here. My guess is that he is being told by Thompson that the Packers are taking a chance that no one else would. One more screw-up, and it's all over.

[rdanomly]

I hate this move. It's a disgrace. In my book, this is strike 2 against Thompson. Big deal. He might help to win a game on a kickoff return. We win 5 or 6 games--instead of 4 or 5. Mike McCarthy talks about Packer People and we bring in this guy. Brad Childress and the Vikings say they are going to clean house, and they cut guys like this and suspend Dwight Smith for a game for getting a citation. You don't win in the long run with guys like this. He may be a great guy, but he's failed a drug test, had two DUIs, and ran from police at over 100 MPHs. There's also been reports that he showed up for his DUI trial drunk and other things. He's an alcholic who needs to get his life in order--rather than be coddled yet again.

I too have my doubts about this move. However, I think it is fair to assume that Ted Thompson, who drafted Robinson, knows some things about him that we don't. I wouldn't assume that Robinson is going to be "coddled" here. My guess is that he is being told by Thompson that the Packers are taking a chance that no one else would. One more screw-up, and it's all over.

I don't know much about KRob's history at Seattle. Was he having issues similar to when he was in Minnesota or was he better behaved there?