First Round Pick 2020, Jordan Love

[bobblehead]

Unfortunately his "Playoff QBR" doesn't align with this. He currently ranks 5th of all time. Most of these playoff loses were on glaring weakness's that never got addressed by the front office that finally caught up with the team. They failed to successfully address these things even though throwing massive resources at it which depleted the offensive talent. Now they want to do a "DO OVER."

I can understand the injury concern but once again the Packers won't win a Super Bowl if Rodgers gets hurt and Love has to take us the distance. There was zero reason to jump off the reservation and throw the investment they did when this team was teetering on going all the way.

Aaron Rodgers 100.0 "Playoff QBR"

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...r_playoffs.htm

You did watch the first half of the SF game right? How about the epic great NFCC game he played in 2010 to vault us into the Owl. I love Rodgers, but he laid an egg in many a playoff losses over the years, and it could definitely be argued he was just as responsible for the debacle on the bay as the D was.

[bobblehead]

They did a good job surviving without Adams. That would be a plus for LaFleur but these were wins against KC(with no Mahommes) a gift against Detroit along with beating two "Non-Playoff teams in Dallas and Oakland.

Rodgers also didn't have a horrible season. 4,000 yards 26TD's and 4 interceptions is nothing to sneeze at. In fact I would argue this offense is "MAXED OUT" with current talent and it doesn't really matter what QB you have. Do you really believe Pattrick Mahommes could come into this offense and rip it up like he does with KC? Geez, Give me a break.

Yeah take away Tyreek Hill and Kelce and all those weapons they have on the perimeter and he certainly wouldn't be and MVP candidate.

I just love "except for" arguments. Except for all those games we won, we sucked!!

[GB-Brandon]

See, the general narrative that Gutes has effed this all up I agree with. The general narrative that Rodgers single handedly dominates the league anymore I do not. He can't win by himself anymore (actually no NFL player ever can).

I was a TT fan and MM hater, now I am a gutes hater and flower fan. I will give Gutes a little rope though since we did make the NFCC game last year. Yea, we laid an egg against SF, but they get paid too....and they have had much higher picks to rebuild with for more years than we have. I'll judge Gutes by the entire body of work. If we regress this season he gets the blame for making what I consider multiple bad picks. His 3 drafts are abysmal imo and he will ultimately answer for that unless several players he has picked break out this year. So far he is living off TTs roster and TTs money that he left open in cap space. Draft wise he has produced not a hell of a lot to date and his 1st this year won't do anything (or we hope he won't)

I agree with most of this. I just wish Thompson wouldn’t have had his condition. I miss him so much getting us “prized possessions” at receiver in the 2nd round. That’s when this used to be really fun.

[GB-Brandon]

You did watch the first half of the SF game right? How about the epic great NFCC game he played in 2010 to vault us into the Owl. I love Rodgers, but he laid an egg in many a playoff losses over the years, and it could definitely be argued he was just as responsible for the debacle on the bay as the D was.

Well that’s just it. Rodgers plays at an “MVP LEVEL” and Packers win. Rodgers plays at an “AVERAGE LEVEL” and Packers lose. He has to be a constant miracle worker with not much help. They have drained the offense down to D.Adams and AJ and a bunch of JAGS.

Tom Brady didn’t have to do nearly what Rodgers has been asked to do. And look what happened last year. Brady didn’t have the talent he liked on offense and he said “See Ya”

[GB-Brandon]

There is no doubt that Rodgers hasn’t been the same but with what the front office has given him to work with I don’t really know how much more anyone can expect.

Period!!

[Zool]

Period!!

Well then I guess there's nothing more to say. You've pulled out the haymaker and we're all powerless.

[Zool]

Thank goodness you didn't say "nuff said" Then we'd really be in trouble.

[GB-Brandon]

You do realize a significant part of why we got "boat raced" in the title game is because AR played like dogshit right? Shut out for the 2nd straight title game in the first half. I don't even disagree about your opinion of the Love pick. But I'm also capable of seeing the other side. And a big part of seeing that side is being objective about AR's age, regression, injury history, and his garbage performances when the team is on the cusp of a SB.

Also, you do realize at one time he had Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Randell Cobb, James Jones and Jermical Finley.

Com’mon Man!!!

[pbmax]

So was it AJones or DAdams that WASN'T a good weapon....I mean, he only had one right? How about the damn good OL? Why did Rodgers have his best games of the season and go 5-0 when Adams was hurt? Maybe Adams is over rated and Rodgers looks to him to the detriment of the offense and team. Maybe they have enough options, but Rodgers doesn't know how to utilize a TE busting the seam up the middle to open things up.

Or maybe having a wide open, run deficient high powered O featuring 3 great WR isn't the winning formula. Maybe if Rodgers just allows the run game to demoralize a D, control the clock and open up nice 3rd and 2 situations we can win an Owl.

BEEP BEEP BEEP

Back up!

Four game win streak (DAL, OAK, DET, KC) without Davante

152 passes / 89 rushes / 241 total plays

63% pass, 37% run

Full disclosure, I counted Aaron Rodgers runs as pass attempts because they aren't calling naked boots for Rodgers.

Throwing to alternate receivers in the main (RBs) is a big plus. Running more not so much.

[pbmax]

You do realize a significant part of why we got "boat raced" in the title game is because AR played like dogshit right? Shut out for the 2nd straight title game in the first half. I don't even disagree about your opinion of the Love pick. But I'm also capable of seeing the other side. And a big part of seeing that side is being objective about AR's age, regression, injury history, and his garbage performances when the team is on the cusp of a SB.

What?!

Rodgers is the reason for the poor showing in Atlanta?

At some point, possibly on the death bed of each poster, each will come to the realization that football is so complicated that reducing it to a binary like this is insanity. So you have that going for you.

The Packers had no business playing in the Championship game in 2016, Rodgers willed them there calling the extended offense.

Just as McCarthy's offense had stalled with the depletion of the receiving corp, Rodgers extended offense has run out of gas.

Whatever decline he has suffered pales in comparison to the loss of personnel on offense. Brandon isn't wrong about that. Its been noted by many others.

Rodgers is being headstrong about running his preferred pass offense, but that is as predictable as QBs getting older. The success of the next two years is in large part going to be dependent on reconciling Rodgers to the current version of the offense. La Fleur seems to be prepared to do that, but I am not sure Gute thinks it part of his job description.

I am not sure The Flower is up to that task alone.

[pbmax]

I'm talking about NFC championship games. Hence "cusp of the superbowl" His QBR was 97 in last years title game. Because he padded his stats in the 2nd half when the team was down by 3-4 scores. Same with 2017. 91 QBR. Empty, meaningless stats. How many times do zero points in the first half of a playoff game get the job done? He's done that twice in a row in NFCCGs. And if you are a slave to the QBR stat why don't you look at the whole Sea game, or the first half in ATL and SF when the game was actually being decided. Or explain how AR being 20th in the NFL in QBR last year doesn't concern you.

Which is it? Is QBR a good metric or a useless metric?

[pbmax]

He had 1 of the top WR's in the NFL. He had 1 of the best dual threat RB's in the NFL. He played behind 1 of the best OL's in the NFL. A lot of NFL QB's had to make do with less. When Adams went out with his injury the offense actually got better as Rodgers was forced to look to receivers other than Adams. If the other guys were as useless as you claim, that would not have happened.

Mainly the offense in Adams absence was Jones. And teams just started to cover him with DBs.

[mraynrand]

Also, you do realize at one time he had Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Randell Cobb, James Jones and Jermical Finley.

Com’mon Man!!!

He has Davante and Aaron Jones!!!!!


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[mraynrand]

Which is it? Is QBR a good metric or a useless metric?

I DONT KNOW!!!! BUT I HATE EVERYONE WHO SUPPORTS THE PACKER FRONT OFFICE PATRIARCHY!!!!

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[yetisnowman]

Look I'm on record as hating the Love pick. And I'm on record for several years saying we needed to invest FA/high draft capital on receiver weapons. And that the past handful of years of either standing pat or throwing a bunch of day 3 picks flat out wasnt good enough. But I'm also very vocal about Aaron wetting the bed in NFC title games.
Yes that to get that far in 2016 with that roster was incredible. 0 pts in any first half of playoff football in the modern era almost guarantees you a loss. And at least some of that is on the QB.
All of these things can be true.