First Round Pick 2020, Jordan Love

[yetisnowman]

You do realize a significant part of why we got "boat raced" in the title game is because AR played like dogshit right? Shut out for the 2nd straight title game in the first half. I don't even disagree about your opinion of the Love pick. But I'm also capable of seeing the other side. And a big part of seeing that side is being objective about AR's age, regression, injury history, and his garbage performances when the team is on the cusp of a SB.

[Joemailman]

No, actually I have witnessed and SEEN this guy for years basically carry a dysfunctional front office that makes mistakes in their sleep.

To not back him up with legitimate pieces might be one of the biggest tragedy’s in all of sports. Imagine if the Chicago Bulls just left Michael Jordan hang out to dry like the Packers did to Rodgers?

He had 1 of the top WR's in the NFL. He had 1 of the best dual threat RB's in the NFL. He played behind 1 of the best OL's in the NFL. A lot of NFL QB's had to make do with less. When Adams went out with his injury the offense actually got better as Rodgers was forced to look to receivers other than Adams. If the other guys were as useless as you claim, that would not have happened.

[GB-Brandon]

You do realize a significant part of why we got "boat raced" in the title game is because AR played like dogshit right? Shut out for the 2nd straight title game in the first half. I don't even disagree about your opinion of the Love pick. But I'm also capable of seeing the other side. And a big part of seeing that side is being objective about AR's age, regression, injury history, and his garbage performances when the team is on the cusp of a SB.

Unfortunately his "Playoff QBR" doesn't align with this. He currently ranks 5th of all time. Most of these playoff loses were on glaring weakness's that never got addressed by the front office that finally caught up with the team. They failed to successfully address these things even though throwing massive resources at it which depleted the offensive talent. Now they want to do a "DO OVER."

I can understand the injury concern but once again the Packers won't win a Super Bowl if Rodgers gets hurt and Love has to take us the distance. There was zero reason to jump off the reservation and throw the investment they did when this team was teetering on going all the way.

Aaron Rodgers 100.0 "Playoff QBR"

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career_playoffs.htm

[SudsMcBucky]

Why is it that anytime anyone has a different take or opinion and disagrees with what the Packers braintrust does there is such huge blow back?

It’s not exactly as though there on some big Winning Streak.

Nobody gives huge blow back with different takes, but when it's all nearly all 652 posts over a 4 month period, yeah, that's tiresome.

[mraynrand]

You do realize a significant part of why we got "boat raced" in the title game is because AR played like dogshit right? Shut out for the 2nd straight title game in the first half. I don't even disagree about your opinion of the Love pick. But I'm also capable of seeing the other side. And a big part of seeing that side is being objective about AR's age, regression, injury history, and his garbage performances when the team is on the cusp of a SB.

Good post. Even so, I’m OK if he doesn’t even see the other side. If only he’d stop with assuming bad motives and building straw men, the discussion would be a lot more fun and interesting.

[GB-Brandon]

He had 1 of the top WR's in the NFL. He had 1 of the best dual threat RB's in the NFL. He played behind 1 of the best OL's in the NFL. A lot of NFL QB's had to make do with less. When Adams went out with his injury the offense actually got better as Rodgers was forced to look to receivers other than Adams. If the other guys were as useless as you claim, that would not have happened.

They did a good job surviving without Adams. That would be a plus for LaFleur but these were wins against KC(with no Mahommes) a gift against Detroit along with beating two "Non-Playoff teams in Dallas and Oakland.

Rodgers also didn't have a horrible season. 4,000 yards 26TD's and 4 interceptions is nothing to sneeze at. In fact I would argue this offense is "MAXED OUT" with current talent and it doesn't really matter what QB you have. Do you really believe Pattrick Mahommes could come into this offense and rip it up like he does with KC? Geez, Give me a break.

Yeah take away Tyreek Hill and Kelce and all those weapons they have on the perimeter and he certainly wouldn't be and MVP candidate.

[GB-Brandon]

Nobody gives huge blow back with different takes, but when it's all nearly all 652 posts over a 4 month period, yeah, that's tiresome.

That just simply isn't true. There has been much covered other then this topic. Like the Playoff Debacle, Draft. Free Agency etc etc.

I am sorry the truth hurts.

[SudsMcBucky]

That just simply isn't true. There has been much covered other then this topic. Like the Playoff Debacle, Draft. Free Agency etc etc.

I am sorry the truth hurts.

The "truth" doesn't hurt. And to be quite honest, I agree with a good bit of it, but seeing post after post after post after post, usually right after each other basically same the same thing different ways is tiresome. Sorry if the truth hurts.

[GB-Brandon]

Let me be very CLEAR. I am not rooting for the Packers to FAIL. I am not Rooting for Jordan Love to Fail.

Am I excited about the possibilities of this team and the direction?

Absolutely Not. There is still time for Gute to make a move so have to see what happens.

[yetisnowman]

Unfortunately his "Playoff QBR" doesn't align with this. He currently ranks 5th of all time. Most of these playoff loses were on glaring weakness's that never got addressed by the front office that finally caught up with the team. They failed to successfully address these things even though throwing massive resources at it which depleted the offensive talent. Now they want to do a "DO OVER."

I can understand the injury concern but once again the Packers won't win a Super Bowl if Rodgers gets hurt and Love has to take us the distance. There was zero reason to jump off the reservation and throw the investment they did when this team was teetering on going all the way.

Aaron Rodgers 100.0 "Playoff QBR"

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...r_playoffs.htm

I'm talking about NFC championship games. Hence "cusp of the superbowl" His QBR was 97 in last years title game. Because he padded his stats in the 2nd half when the team was down by 3-4 scores. Same with 2017. 91 QBR. Empty, meaningless stats. How many times do zero points in the first half of a playoff game get the job done? He's done that twice in a row in NFCCGs. And if you are a slave to the QBR stat why don't you look at the whole Sea game, or the first half in ATL and SF when the game was actually being decided. Or explain how AR being 20th in the NFL in QBR last year doesn't concern you.

[GB-Brandon]

If you wanna BE HONEST about it the move itself is very "NEGATIVE" cause your basically betting that Rodgers has maybe a year left of good play.

Why would anyone do that to the best thing that's happened to Green Bay in years. I am starting to think that people really don't like Rodgers but rather they put up with him because of his stellar play. That's too bad.

[GB-Brandon]

I'm talking about NFC championship games. Hence "cusp of the superbowl" His QBR was 97 in last years title game. Because he padded his stats in the 2nd half when the team was down by 3-4 scores. Same with 2017. 91 QBR. Empty, meaningless stats. How many times do zero points in the first half of a playoff game get the job done? He's done that twice in a row in NFCCGs. And if you are a slave to the QBR stat why don't you look at the whole Sea game, or the first half in ATL and SF when the game was actually being decided. Or explain how AR being 20th in the NFL in QBR last year doesn't concern you.

The Atlanta Game? Really? Do you remember Julio Jones? They scored at will just like in the Niner's did. That game was over when the FB fumbled. The Seahawks game was against one of the best defenses of all time in a very hostile environment and he played well enough to win playing with a torn calf muscle. It's a shame we didn't win that Seahawk game but the others we were clearly over-matched on paper and were only there because of Rodgers amazing play all season long. This roster other then 2015 Champ game had really no business being in those games. I don't know if there is any other QB that could of taken some of those teams to an NFC Champ Game.

All of these games were on the road as well. The percentages aren't good at winning Champ Games on the road. 10-6 teams usually can only go so far.

[GB-Brandon]

But as far as Atlanta that was one of "The Greatest QB Runs Of All-Time." He basically took that team that was "very average" and put it on his back and played at a level I don't believe I have ever seen before or since.

This is just ridiculous.

[GB-Brandon]

"CONJECTURE"

[bobblehead]

!50 Million and 1st and 2nd round picks everywhere gets you this in San Fran.





Whooooppppppieeeeee Dewwww Dahhhhh!

See, the general narrative that Gutes has effed this all up I agree with. The general narrative that Rodgers single handedly dominates the league anymore I do not. He can't win by himself anymore (actually no NFL player ever can).

I was a TT fan and MM hater, now I am a gutes hater and flower fan. I will give Gutes a little rope though since we did make the NFCC game last year. Yea, we laid an egg against SF, but they get paid too....and they have had much higher picks to rebuild with for more years than we have. I'll judge Gutes by the entire body of work. If we regress this season he gets the blame for making what I consider multiple bad picks. His 3 drafts are abysmal imo and he will ultimately answer for that unless several players he has picked break out this year. So far he is living off TTs roster and TTs money that he left open in cap space. Draft wise he has produced not a hell of a lot to date and his 1st this year won't do anything (or we hope he won't)