First Round Pick 2020, Jordan Love

[mraynrand]

!!!!!!!!!!

[mraynrand]

All of things can be true.

That’s very metaphysical.

[yetisnowman]

Which is it? Is QBR a good metric or a useless metric?

Somewhere in between, that's my point. Not useless. But certainly can be misleading. As in obviously AR wasn't the 20th best qb last year. And his playoff game in San Fran was not a good performance.

[GB-Brandon]

Look I'm on record as hating the Love pick. And I'm on record for several years saying we needed to invest FA/high draft capital on receiver weapons. And that the past handful of years of either standing pat or throwing a bunch of day 3 picks flat out wasnt good enough. But I'm also very vocal about Aaron wetting the bed in NFC title games.
Yes that to get that far in 2016 with that roster was incredible. 0 pts in any first half of playoff football in the modern era almost guarantees you a loss. And at least some of that is on the QB.
All of these things can be true.

Well against Atlanta Crosby missed a very doable FG and Ripkowski had a costly fumble on a drive that looked to score some points. It was a complete disaster all the way around. It was too much to make up by any single person just like the Niners game.

Yeah, I suppose if Rodgers played at the “120 QBR Level” we might of had a chance but you better get him the weapons needed to even have a chance to pull something like that off

[GB-Brandon]

!!!!!!!!!!

I’m really not understanding your “temper tantrum”?

[GB-Brandon]

Why can’t everyone just come to the conclusion that Gute sucks and he buried us moving forward. The cap is all fucked up and his picks are beyond questionable and now he is trying to cover it all up with this “Hail Mary Jordan Love Pick.”

The Packers and Mark Murphy picked the wrong guy to replace Ted Thompson. Pettine should of never been retained. Time to gut the whole thing.

[GB-Brandon]

Gute’s draft board is the “RAS Board”. Nothing really more then that.

[run pMc]

Mainly the offense in Adams absence was Jones. And teams just started to cover him with DBs.

This is true. I posted somewhere the breakdown of receiver targets in those four games... they started featuring Jones and Jamaal more as targets. Defenses adjusted by covering Jones with a DB instead of a LB and the offense didn't throw to Jones as much as a result (Adams also returned by then). Drafting Dillon and Deguara will help them mask things by forcing defenses into bad matchups. They can motion Jones out wide and handoff to Dillon, for example, or use a heavy look and pass to Deguara sneaking out of the backfield.

Drafting the Day 3 OL means they won't keep Linsley, Madison, Taylor and possibly Turner around after this season. (Madison and Taylor might not make the roster this season.)

I think there's a faulty assumption that the offense is going to be same as it's largely been with Rodgers running it, vs. how MLF wants it run. Getting more pieces for his offense should change that, and should change our thinking of what the offense could/should look like. They simply don't have a Donald Driver caliber WR as their #4 anymore (sadly), but this isn't the M3 offense either. You can decry it as run-oriented or TEN football, but Shanahan took a past-his-prime Elway to back-to-back championships (as we know all too well) on that offense, and his son got to the SB with Jimmy freakin Garrapolo at QB with it.

I'd absolutely love to see them get some better WR talent and am disappointed they didn't this draft, but it's early to call the season over and a failure. If they get one of Lazard/ESB to make a leap forward the WRs might be passable when paired with Adams and Funchess.

I do think this is the year we can start to honestly assess Gute's scouting, it will be year 3 of his first draft. By the end of the 2021 season he might be a goner based on his 1st two drafts. Some of his picks have been worrisome, but you could say that about many of the Wolf/Thompson picks.

[pbmax]

Somewhere in between, that's my point. Not useless. But certainly can be misleading. As in obviously AR wasn't the 20th best qb last year. And his playoff game in San Fran was not a good performance.

I can agree with all this. But then the question is: why the variability?

I think his stubbornness, born out of frustration with the great (almost forgotten offensive slow down of 2015-16), is a problem.

But it is also linked to a regression of talent. And I also think there is a disconnect between the outside zone game of LaFleur. The Packers success at running last year was a function of Jones inside AND a DC's fear of Rodgers. While I am not quite tex, the O line is still being remade to be a good outside zone blocking unit.

This offense doesn't have a new identity yet.

[GB-Brandon]

All that stuff is all “Fine And Dandy” but we don’t have the defensive front to pull it off and play that type of ball on offense. Once you get down it’s over and all the sudden you resort back to Rodgers throwing the ball all over to weak receivers(that can’t win)outside of Adams.

If this is indeed the plan then they need to cut Taylor and Lindsley now and go after Clowney on a one year deal and outbid the Seahawks.

Only Chance.

“Team Northwestern” won’t get it done.

[GB-Brandon]

Gute should “Love Clowney.” He is a high RAS guy that can actually get it done.

[RashanGary]

This offense doesn't have a new identity yet.

I liked the overall view of the whole post. I'll nitpick the one piece I disagree with tho. While it wasn't a full shift into Tenn/ATL/SF/Rams football, I did feel like there was a mildly different identity last year compared to previous year.

1. The run game was highlighted more and was more successful than recent MM years. Seemed like more big runs and the WRs and whole offense just took the run game more seriously.

2. RBs were used more in the pass game.

3. Less extended offense so Rodgers took less of a physical toll.


I think they want to evolve even more in this run game direction. Sternberger and Deguara are two athletic young TEs who like to block and have the ability to do a lot of those movement blocks that Kittle is so good at in SF. The big running back should open up some more outside zone stuff. Jamaal Williams seems to be really dedicated to his craft this off-season on Twitter. I'm excited to see him this year too.

Adams = Adams last year
Lazard > Lazard last year
Funchess > MVS last year
MVS/EQ > Allison last year

All those WRs block well too. So quietly, I think our receivers have improved over last year's young and inexperienced group too.

I do think there was a shift last year. Maybe 20% identity change with another 20% coming this year. But it's Aaron Rodgers so it's still gonna have that feel.

[GB-Brandon]

Can we do Begelton>Driver too?

[George Cumby]

That’s very metaphysical.

Go put Schrodinger's cat some place metaphysiacally impossible.

[Zool]

Can we do Begelton>Driver too?

Adam or Minnie?