Gutekunst's 2020 Plan Revealed

[bobblehead]

Wait, so what is the REAL plan, PB?

To build a roster that will dominate the decathlon in the 2024 Olympics.

[mraynrand]

Ok, maybe, but I still have not seen a plausible explanation of why they took the round 2 and 3 picks? They certainly don't need them, and the value was horrendous.

I explained these picks in an other thread. They are building the Flower Power offense. The draft influences people to look at picks in terms like 'value' and 'ranks' according to 'tiers.' That's all fine, but it doesn't really address team building. For example, is Mims better than either of the two picks (RB TE) straight up? Probably. Is he a better 'fit' for what Flower wants to do? Maybe not at all. Maybe he's a great WR for Rodgers in Stubby's offense, but not in this offense. Time will tell.

[Packers4Glory]

all I know is they're either full of shit lying saying that the day 2 picks were the highest left on their board....or they really need to clean house and fire the scouting department. one dummy quoted tried comparing Dillon to Barkley. so I imagine both things I just said are true.

[mraynrand]

To build a roster that will dominate the decathlon in the 2024 Olympics.

I didn't see that any of these guys had parents who were olympians. Fortunately, according to the NFL Network, they all have the required terrible Tragic Deaths in their families. I was unaware before this draft that Olympic Parents and Tragic Deaths had been added to the combine, but apparently, I am out of the loop.

[Packers4Glory]

I explained these picks in an other thread. They are building the Flower Power offense. The draft influences people to look at picks in terms like 'value' and 'ranks' according to 'tiers.' That's all fine, but it doesn't really address team building. For example, is Mims better than either of the two picks (RB TE) straight up? Probably. Is he a better 'fit' for what Flower wants to do? Maybe not at all. Maybe he's a great WR for Rodgers in Stubby's offense, but not in this offense. Time will tell.

well, MVS and everyone outside of Lazard don't seem to be a fit either or they're just not talented enough to fit. either way we have 3 WR, 1 great one, 1 ok one, and 1 guy developing with some potential. The rest? trash. Better hope St.Brown comes back and lights it up.

[Upnorth]

Re assumption #8, I believe people used to think wrs tend to have a sophomore slump. I don't know if the data backs that up, but if it does we could see a substantial up swing in our wr Corp this season.
Re #3, I have no Faith we have upgraded our ilb, unless Kirk can flip his injury issues which goes against packers trends.
If he can stay on the field he is an upgrade though.

[mraynrand]

one dummy quoted tried comparing Dillon to Barkley. so I imagine both things I just said are true.

So long as he doesn't compare to Gurley this year, I will be OK with it.

[Packers4Glory]

Re assumption #8, I believe people used to think wrs tend to have a sophomore slump. I don't know if the data backs that up, but if it does we could see a substantial up swing in our wr Corp this season.
Re #3, I have no Faith we have upgraded our ilb, unless Kirk can flip his injury issues which goes against packers trends.
If he can stay on the field he is an upgrade though.

ILB makes no difference if you have 1 legitimate DL and the rest who should be fighting for a roster spot.

[bobblehead]

me too. I get the conspiracy rebuild part. But what is the ACTUAL plan. I think I know, but want to know what PB thinks it is.

Through 2.5 drafts it has become clear that Gutes has read an article written by some numbers geek about RAS score.

Love had the 2nd top RAS score of any serious prospect (Herbert being the first) and I also read somewhere Love was Gutes 2nd rated QB this year. Dillon had the top RAS score of any RB this year. Past 2 drafts have been similar (Gary was an obscene 9.95). Gutes is doing the anti Hoodie. He is drafting athletes and hoping he can teach them to play football instead of football players who can work out hard and improve their athleticism.

[Bretsky]

MY LAST DECADE THEORY IS RUNNING OUT OF TIME

AROD is an elite QB; between his decision making and refusal to put an average defense in bad spots with turnovers, Green Bay pretty much starts the season with eight wins. A GM that surrounded him, between the draft and free agency with above average talent to work with would have yielded multiple Super Bowls. Ted hit the jackpot with Rodgers but he failed him after that. Even though hit play has dropped off, he still gets GB at or close to 8 wins before the season starts. But his play is slowly deteriorating and I'm not sure how long this keeps happening

Every chip fell into place last year for GB to get to 13-3. Talent wise we were a 10-6 team and for Gutebag not to see this makes him delusional IMO. We had next to no injuries which never occurs in the NFL, we got breaks from the referees which helped us win a game or two (see Detroit), and we played the Chiefs without Patrick Mahommes and slipped a win out there

San Francisco made us our bitch twice in games that count. They dominate us up front, they ran the ball down our throats making the Northwestern Nanny's look like a Northwestern football player form the 80's, and exposing our LB'ing crew and defense in multiple areas. Their DL tore our offensive line apart as well. Rodgers played poorly game one, and while it was a game in the first half of game two; but we didn't have close the personnell needed to match up to San Fran.

If Love turns out to be a perrenial Prp Bowler this was a good move, and like Rodgers draft pick one that sacrifices the present for the future. The second and third round picks, when you can get blue chips, were both puzzling to the optimist.

The last two days were bad ones IMO if we are trying to keep up with San Francisco, and the Saints, and the other ascending teams in the NFC.

Maybe it'll look great in five years. Short term it does not.

[Packers4Glory]

Ted tried to fix the defense by drafting outside in. DB after DB wasted early in drafts instead of building a solid D line. we seem to always have 1 guy and a bunch of meh lineman who can't stop the run....just like it is today.

[King Friday]

San Francisco made us our bitch twice in games that count.

Being able to make a team their OWN bitch is truly impressive. They didn't even consider us worthy of effort...so they made us hump ourselves.

[Bretsky]

Through 2.5 drafts it has become clear that Gutes has read an article written by some numbers geek about RAS score.

Love had the 2nd top RAS score of any serious prospect (Herbert being the first) and I also read somewhere Love was Gutes 2nd rated QB this year. Dillon had the top RAS score of any RB this year. Past 2 drafts have been similar (Gary was an obscene 9.95). Gutes is doing the anti Hoodie. He is drafting athletes and hoping he can teach them to play football instead of football players who can work out hard and improve their athleticism.

Anit Hoody to the Extreme

HOODY GENIUS Takes the best football players and adjust his schemes based on what they to best to maximize their abilities.

Gotebag seems to be drafting players to fit a system.

[bobblehead]

Board told them to take them, especially the RB. They needed a RB with more juice than Jamaal Williams and to hedge against Jones being hurt or lost to FA. During the Derrick Henry breakout year under The Flower, Dion Lewis still got 155 carries. He likes to share the load. And Williams has never been a natural one cut back.

The Flower wanted an H back, that was reported a week or two ago which helps run/pass flexibility

Without a 4th round pick, they probably took at least one a round earlier than planned. I can see each helping his offense this year though.

More of a question to me, and why I think this plan is doomed for disappointment, is that I think he has fundamentally misjudged his defense.

I disagree. I think Williams is actually a better one cut back than Jones. Jones is an inside zone guy who will weave through the traffic. Same as JTaylor (if we switch schemes we should have taken Taylor.) Dillon is seems to be able to run either inside or outside (he is better at inside I think). A better change of pace than Williams. The packers have shown an ability to block both inside and outside zone and likely will continue to do so based on the D they are facing. Flower will use all 3 backs this year.

Gutes simply learned from TT to stick to HIS board, not Mel Kipers. Problem is he isn't the evaluator that TT was. As I said, he likes athletes over football players.

[Packers4Glory]

Hey maybe Dillon was all about being sick of not converting 3rd and 4th and shorts lol one problem solved.