Gutekunst's 2020 Plan Revealed

[Upnorth]

After love I see the Dillon and Debra picks as specifically being made to challenge teams like SF (and to a lesser extent NO) on o. Big ball controling back and someone else to help on block or provide out routes with the te. I actually like the Dillon pick, but think they missed on the te. Plus the Wagner signing who I think is being put to guard when our line is healthy could improve our run blocking.

As to the d side if healthy kirk will be better at cleaning up the runners who get by Clark than Martinez so a possible improvement there, just not enough yet.

[bobblehead]

all I know is they're either full of shit lying saying that the day 2 picks were the highest left on their board....or they really need to clean house and fire the scouting department. one dummy quoted tried comparing Dillon to Barkley. so I imagine both things I just said are true.

I think this year will tell you the answer. People loved to hammer TT and say his drafts were awful. I have laid out that it was ONE draft that sucked. If the Alexander draft is as bad as it looked then 3 years out I can say its as bad as any draft TT ever had. If Burks or Jackson or MVS break out as a real starter and then one other player becomes a heavy contributor it looks a lot better....2 big ifs.

[bobblehead]

I didn't see that any of these guys had parents who were olympians. Fortunately, according to the NFL Network, they all have the required terrible Tragic Deaths in their families. I was unaware before this draft that Olympic Parents and Tragic Deaths had been added to the combine, but apparently, I am out of the loop.

I was referring to RAS scores. We definitely have the most athletic roster in the NFL right now.

[mraynrand]

I was referring to RAS scores. We definitely have the most athletic roster in the NFL right now.

I was just expressing sarcasm over the awful NFLN draft coverage

[mraynrand]

HOODY GENIUS Takes the best football players and adjust his schemes based on what they to best to maximize their abilities..

He sure does. His work with his WRs last season was epic.

[bobblehead]

MY LAST DECADE THEORY IS RUNNING OUT OF TIME

AROD is an elite QB; between his decision making and refusal to put an average defense in bad spots with turnovers, Green Bay pretty much starts the season with eight wins. A GM that surrounded him, between the draft and free agency with above average talent to work with would have yielded multiple Super Bowls. Ted hit the jackpot with Rodgers but he failed him after that. Even though hit play has dropped off, he still gets GB at or close to 8 wins before the season starts. But his play is slowly deteriorating and I'm not sure how long this keeps happening.

The problem with your theory is that we had one of the TOP offenses in the league with weapons everywhere and a great OL. We kept getting punked early in the playoffs for 2 reasons. A bad defense and no running game (or refusal to call running plays). MM was a great offensive passing mind. In the playoffs, I can't say it enough times....you need to run successfully and play good D to win an Owl. The only exception is having a top 3 QB in his absolute prime to work with. That will net you 1 or 2 Owls....it got us 1. It got the chiefs one. It got the colts one. Brady is wildly over rated (but wicked smart). The year he broke passing records the Giants punked him in the SB. The best year Rodgers had the Giants punked him in the playoffs.

Physical football. Smash mouth run game and great D win championships. Occasionally a talent like Rodgers, Maholmes and Manning break the mold. On really rare occasions a team with a QB like that does it correctly and wins multiple Owls. Brady was near that level, but a step below all 3 in my opinion, but he would audible from pass to run more often than all 3 of those guys combined.....and the Patriots consistently have a top 5 defense (with very few "playmakers" on offense)

[RashanGary]

Hoody starting Marshall Newhouse at LT was straight genius last year

[pbmax]

Ted tried to fix the defense by drafting outside in. DB after DB wasted early in drafts instead of building a solid D line. we seem to always have 1 guy and a bunch of meh lineman who can't stop the run....just like it is today.

In the first half of the decade, this was a sensible approach. Raji and Pickett and Perry and Peppers and Matthews were OK. After that, it was a scramble. Only Clark had his finger in the damn at that was 2017.

[RashanGary]

The problem with your theory is that we had one of the TOP offenses in the league with weapons everywhere and a great OL. We kept getting punked early in the playoffs for 2 reasons. A bad defense and no running game (or refusal to call running plays). MM was a great offensive passing mind. In the playoffs, I can't say it enough times....you need to run successfully and play good D to win an Owl. The only exception is having a top 3 QB in his absolute prime to work with. That will net you 1 or 2 Owls....it got us 1. It got the chiefs one. It got the colts one. Brady is wildly over rated (but wicked smart). The year he broke passing records the Giants punked him in the SB. The best year Rodgers had the Giants punked him in the playoffs.

Physical football. Smash mouth run game and great D win championships. Occasionally a talent like Rodgers, Maholmes and Manning break the mold. On really rare occasions a team with a QB like that does it correctly and wins multiple Owls. Brady was near that level, but a step below all 3 in my opinion, but he would audible from pass to run more often than all 3 of those guys combined.....and the Patriots consistently have a top 5 defense (with very few "playmakers" on offense)

Ready to play QBs on their rookie deals are nice too. Lately a few Owls are going that way too.

[Bretsky]

Hoody starting Marshall Newhouse at LT was straight genius last year

Nit pick how you want; I just have one word as a response

Championships

[RashanGary]

Looking down the list of SB winners, defense is a theme. A couple low priced rookie deal QBs. A few game managers, a couple star QBs in their primes.... But defense is a theme. Safety play is a theme.

[pbmax]

The important point of this completely sensible thread (thank you all for helping) is that Gutekunst thinks he is on course. He's not playing 3D chess with Rodgers future and folding his tent to rebuild.

I'd say he has a fighting chance to be right on offense, though its a huge bet on his current receivers. If they get Veldheer back (or a draftee) I think they will be OK on the O line.

But I think he runs a much larger risk of being wrong about his defense.

[RashanGary]

If you look through the list of SB winners, definitely defense is the strongest theme. Even more than star QB in prime, defense is the strongest pattern

[bobblehead]

Every chip fell into place last year for GB to get to 13-3. Talent wise we were a 10-6 team and for Gutebag not to see this makes him delusional IMO. We had next to no injuries which never occurs in the NFL, we got breaks from the referees which helped us win a game or two (see Detroit), and we played the Chiefs without Patrick Mahommes and slipped a win out there

San Francisco made us our bitch twice in games that count. They dominate us up front, they ran the ball down our throats making the Northwestern Nanny's look like a Northwestern football player form the 80's, and exposing our LB'ing crew and defense in multiple areas. Their DL tore our offensive line apart as well. Rodgers played poorly game one, and while it was a game in the first half of game two; but we didn't have close the personnell needed to match up to San Fran.
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Yet Seattle came within 6 inches of making SF a wildcard team and we proceeded to dismantle Seattle the previous week. We had to play SF IN SF both times. We also don't really match up to them very good. Shannahan is a great coach. And Rodgers and the offense took the first half off that playoff game. Rodgers threw 2 picks and lost a fumble he looked disinterested in recovering. In falling behind 17-0 we went 5 and out 5 and out 3 and out and 6 and fumble the snap. They played a stinker in a big playoff game again. Flower was outcoached, the D played poorly and Rodgers was awful. The D held them to another FG and what did Rodgers do? Pick.

Its a team game. Rodgers can't carry a team. No QB really can. You say every chip fell into place, yet in the Playoffs we beat everyone but the 49ers. The team is solid because TT left us with some talent and Gutes spent the money TT left us with. The team will be bad real soon cuz Rodgers is getting older and Gutes drafts like old people fuck.

[pbmax]

Re assumption #8, I believe people used to think wrs tend to have a sophomore slump. I don't know if the data backs that up, but if it does we could see a substantial up swing in our wr Corp this season.
Re #3, I have no Faith we have upgraded our ilb, unless Kirk can flip his injury issues which goes against packers trends.
If he can stay on the field he is an upgrade though.

Good point about MVS especially. And ESB was hurt. I get this wishful thinking.

I am perplexed about the D line though.