Gutekunst's 2020 Plan Revealed

[pbmax]

If what Gute is saying is true, then they really stuck with round value as opposed to trading down from 30. (Maybe they couldn’t get a good trade)

I just hope it wasn't a stab up to get the last 1st round value. From a draft tactics perspective, I'd rather him think (even if ultimately proven wrong) he was the second best QB prospect rather than the 4th.

[Bretsky]

My interpretation; Gute got outmatched; he's not a kind of fell like the board fell kind of guy.

Send him to San Francisco for the next three months and have Gutebag take lessons.

[pbmax]

What was the San Fran trade exactly? Anyone remember?

[Bretsky]

The plan is to apparently keep on trucking in the short term on offense. Take a little load off Jones, replace Williams with someone more explosive and to perhaps run a bit more play action and 2 TE (though I don't think you can pencil in the Cincy TE for a lot of snaps yet).

People keep yelping about how WR was the #1 need. I might even have posted something along those lines. But the actual #1 priority from a talent standpoint, before the strength of the draft was revealed, was ILB.

They replaced Martinez with Kirksey, who, if healthy, should be an upgrade. But that is potentially a big if, and plan B looks more awful than last year. But help is not forthcoming on the D line. So the defensive improvement will come from the coaches getting a better scheme out there and better execution. Not what I was hoping for.

Normally, this is where I'd start joking about the second year jump guys. Or third year WR. But with no offseason, its anyone's guess what happens.

I am glad Gute seems to be listening to his coach about what kind of offense he wants to run. But I am not sure the team is better right now.

I said it in another thread and Smidgeon and Fritz talk about it above. I really hope this is a Ted draft where three starters emerge where you did not see them on draft weekend. We'll see.

Let's call a SPADE A SPADE

IF ILB was our #1 weakness we Failed to address that "IN THE DRAFT" and could have in round one
IF WR was our #1 weakness epic failure

[Bretsky]

Our GM's comments reflect exactly what I think happened during the draft. His plan was to draft one of the 5 or 6 WRs that had a 1st round grade and could provide immediate help. I think the back-up plan (no pun intended) was to pick Love if he was not selected earlier in the round.

I think the plan for the 2nd round was to draft a WR with a 2nd level grade that could be integrated more slowly into the offense. By the time we were on the clock, all of those receivers were gone. Our GM chose to pick someone that would provide immediate help to the offense at a position that does not need years to develop. So, he drafted a RB.

By the time we got to the 3rd round, he didn't have a WR on his board that he felt could provide any more help to the team than those already on the roster. He chose a TE that they liked to compete with Tonyan and Sternberger.

The problem was that they used a 4th round pick to move up to select Love. That meant that they couldn't move in the 2nd to choose Mims (if that was their choice) due to needing depth at ILB and OL.

The net result was a draft that doesn't look very good on paper at addressing our most immediate needs and probably doesn't make us a lot stronger in the short term. It may (big guess here) have strong upside in the longer term.

You Mapped out Epic Failure

In round two everybody knew, the Jets, just two picks ahead of us wanted a WR

In round three the Raven's wanted a WR and an easy trade up to get Duverney was there.

Gutebag was outfoxed

[Bretsky]

Trading up in the second round became much harder when they decided they needed to move up to get Love.

3 spots; what would that have taken, a 5th ?

[Willard]

They could of gotten almost any receiver they wanted in the draft as they had plenty of ammunition. Aiyuk went one spot before JL. Even with that Mimms and Higgins were on the board at 30. They also could of traded up a few spots in second and got Mims there. There were several other receiver options throughout the rest of the draft which either the Packers let slide or were unwilling to move up to get.

Once again people can’t have it both ways. On one hand it’s okay to get aggressive to go out and trade up for a back up QB in 1st round but we can’t show the same aggressive mentality to get a massive need addressed at receiver?

See, that’s the INSANITY of it.

I was hoping either Jefferson or Aiyuk would drop to the Pack. MN took JJ, then traded #25 to SF who took Aiyuk. Perhaps the Pack thought they had Aiyuk at 26 until MN screwed them? After the top 6 were gone, Gute didn’t see a Round One worthy WR to pick. Maybe he should have traded back. Maybe he tried to trade back but couldn’t and ended up taking BPA regardless of 2020 need.

[texaspackerbacker]

A lot of people in here and elsewhere whined before the draft (and chronically) about the terrible "needs" the Packers had/have. I didn't see it that way, and apparently neither did the powers that be. I did think we needed a speed WR; Apparently they didn't even see that as a need. We certainly didn't need quantity of WRs, and we didn't need a high-drafted ILB, given Pettine's style of D and the use made of Packer ILBs. We may have already done an upgrade before the draft at D Line, and we did sort of fix things in the O Line in the draft - again, I can only conclude, maybe our brain trust knows something we'all in here don't.

[Bretsky]

I also think this draft was very high on blue chip WRs. Instead of the usual 3 or 4, there were 5 or 6 that could provide immediate help. Once you got past the top 6, I think it was more normalized. If there were usually 3 or 4 in the 2nd tier, I think this draft had the same number.

In other words, I don't think you could make a WR pick in the 3rd or 4th round that had a 1st round grade.

We were picking 30th and every other team that had WR on their list of needs knew that this was a draft with more blue chip WR prospects than usual. They selected them and we couldn't. Bottom line.

There were still top tier WR"s at 30; a couple went right after. And they could have picked up a 4th by trading down and still got one. As time goes no we'll see how this works for Gutebag

The only difference between how GB Brandon and I feel is I don't think we'd taking steps back to 4-12. I think Rodgers stays here two years and guides us to the norm. Slip into playoffs, get bounced, and end up with another late round pick.

But I have no faith in Gutebag going forward. Last year's draft was sub par and my expectations for this years draft are not high either. I don't have SB expectations and at minimal my hoped are greatly decreased.

From the start I didn't want Gutebad; still don't.

But I am a football fan and will be cheering for a lot of teams and my Badgers next year. So i"m diversified and while my heart is with GB my expectations are lowered and I'll be more of a footbal fan as opposed to a Packer fan

[Bretsky]

6 WRs were gone in first 25 picks. Who would you have picked at #30: Higgins, Pittman, someone else? Obviously Gute picked from his board rather than position of need. It is frustrating for coming season, but not unusual for a GM. 6 more WRs were off the board by time Gute picked again. What’s your pick at 62? Once you get to later rounds the prospects look a lot like the players on their team. I imagine the first 2 rounds didn’t play out to Plan A. I wish the Pack hadn’t moved up and sacrificed a 4th to pick a player that won’t immediately help—but I understand what played out was a worst case scenario regarding WR picks ahead of the Packers picks at 30 and 62..

Higgina/Pittman/Mims were all projected to go 1/2 .

[texaspackerbacker]

hahahaha Bretsky, you pretty much split the difference between Brandon's idiocy and reality.

[beveaux1]

There's much speculation on what ranking a prospect has. If you look at "experts" opinions for the top ten at any position group, the opinions of different "experts" vary widely.

The only "expert" that mattered in this case was the one that was doing the selecting. My guess, based on whom our GM chose, is that Higgins, Pittman, Shenault, Jefferson, and Mims were not given 1st round grades. That is not to say that they weren't better than some of our present roster, even in his opinion. What it says is that Love was a better pick than those WRs in the opinion of the GM. He thought that was a better value pick. Love had a better grade, probably substantially better, on his board.

It's possible that after Shenault or Hamler was taken, he didn't feel that there was a WR he could take that would be substantially better than the 3rd WR on our roster. If that's the case, there was no reason to use a later round pick to move up and select a WR. Certainly not if he's trying to improve the offense in the short term.

The argument you can make is that, in your opinion, Jefferson or Mims was worth moving up. They are substantially better than Lazard or Funchess. Better even than the new RB that will be splitting carries with Jones.

That isn't what the GM thought and he picked the RB.

[Willard]

There's much speculation on what ranking a prospect has. If you look at "experts" opinions for the top ten at any position group, the opinions of different "experts" vary widely.

The only "expert" that mattered in this case was the one that was doing the selecting. My guess, based on whom our GM chose, is that Higgins, Pittman, Shenault, Jefferson, and Mims were not given 1st round grades. That is not to say that they weren't better than some of our present roster, even in his opinion. What it says is that Love was a better pick than those WRs in the opinion of the GM. He thought that was a better value pick. Love had a better grade, probably substantially better, on his board.

It's possible that after Shenault or Hamler was taken, he didn't feel that there was a WR he could take that would be substantially better than the 3rd WR on our roster. If that's the case, there was no reason to use a later round pick to move up and select a WR. Certainly not if he's trying to improve the offense in the short term.

The argument you can make is that, in your opinion, Jefferson or Mims was worth moving up. They are substantially better than Lazard or Funchess. Better even than the new RB that will be splitting carries with Jones.

That isn't what the GM thought and he picked the RB.

Yep. What this rat says.

[Bretsky]

hahahaha Bretsky, you pretty much split the difference between Brandon's idiocy and reality.

I would argue that claiming we have resolved all of the weaknesses that prohibited us from being an alite team last year is idoicy; and I'm the reality Tex, I'm the realty )))))

[pbmax]

3 spots; what would that have taken, a 5th ?

Why do I have to do all the math here

Work it out for yourself: https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calcu...pick-value.php