2020 Wide Receivers

[GB-Brandon]

This isn't a good sign either. Betting on "Long Shots" at the horse track all day will leave you BROKE 9 times out of ten. I like BETTING ON WINNERS!!!

https://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/Jordan-Love-Voted-Most-Overrated-Prospect

[Zool]

I agree they aren't taking enough swings at the WR position, but in a best case scenerio, it's 50/50 on every draft pick. There's not a single sure-thing in any draft ever, despite what the "experts" keeps telling you. I could write the script for the TV morons for the first 3 rounds.

"This is a plug and play left tackle for the next 10 years"
"This guy is outstanding in space and is a great north/south runner"
"The guy can absolutely fly and his catch radius is X"
"This guy is going to terrorize QBs for the next decade. He can really bend the corner and his motor never stops"
"The guy is an absolute stud and you've really shored that position up for 10 years"

None of them ever get called out for their absolute whiffs. Watch the draft on mute once. You'll get a new appreciation for the live stock auction it actually is.

[GB-Brandon]

I agree they aren't taking enough swings at the WR position, but in a best case scenerio, it's 50/50 on every draft pick. There's not a single sure-thing in any draft ever, despite what the "experts" keeps telling you. I could write the script for the TV morons for the first 3 rounds.

"This is a plug and play left tackle for the next 10 years"
"This guy is outstanding in space and is a great north/south runner"
"The guy can absolutely fly and his catch radius is X"
"This guy is going to terrorize QBs for the next decade. He can really bend the corner and his motor never stops"
"The guy is an absolute stud and you've really shored that position up for 10 years"

None of them ever get called out for their absolute whiffs. Watch the draft on mute once. You'll get a new appreciation for the live stock auction it actually is.

I agree with this but this whole "Gute Experience" which I admit the jury is still out on is giving me a new found appreciation for Ted Thompson and I can't believe I'm saying that. I was really upset with Thompson towards the end but now we know why which was a shame. The man knew what to look for. He was able to watch how players move and such and identify talent other then just looking at an RAS Board and saying "Well make this kid a winner". In his prime Thompson really was an amazing talent evaluator and especially when it came to wide receivers.

You look at those receivers he drafted during the earlier years and he just hit and hit again. You watch a lot of those guys and you see the hip movement and the body control along with the twitch and just some of the natural instincts that made them high quality players for the Packers. Thompson was able to identify that and capitalize. With Gute I do feel like its more just "Picking Ponies" so far. If it was as simple as RAS boards then you mine as well call up Renaldo Nehemiah and run him on a 40 yard dash. I'm starting to have serious questions about Gutekunst and time will ultimately tell. I just can't believe were sitting here in 2020 with this situation at WR.
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[pbmax]

Huge early fails from the Packers current roster:

Aaron Rodgers
Aaron Jones
Jace Sternberger
Davante Adams
Zadarius Smith
Kenny Clark
Kevin King

A whole bunch of guys are just ok or bad as rookies. It's really common for guys to develop from average or below average NFL players in their rookie years, into probowl players.

Aaron Rodgers - poor first camp but everyone knew he was sitting
Aaron Jones - I don't get this one, he was obviously the best back on the roster even when hurt - it showed all of camp
Jace Sternberger - he was hurt
Davante Adams - don't get this one either, was a great 3rd WR as a rookie
Zadarius Smith - dunno
Kenny Clark - played well, wasn't dominating until late. Got better as rookie season progresses. Compare him to Mt Adams or Keke.
Kevin King - was hurt otherwise looked fine

[bobblehead]

C'mon. This point makes Kelce more of a WR than you want to admit. He blocks DBs. Here is a Chefs video of Kelce dominating the DBs. Kelce is basically an H back.

https://www.chiefs.com/video/travis-...-game-18340202

Most WR can't block even a CB...most won't even try. This is Flowers whole philosophy. I want guy who will either block or beat the man covering him. Thus big WR like Funchess and Lazard.

I know Kelce ain't kittles in the blocking department, but he ain't jimmy fucking graham either. And Kelce destroys teams in the middle of the field because a LB can't cover him and if you use a DB he crushes him in the run game. He is a TE.

And last year while you and Brandon were saying WR was the weakness, I was saying TE. Go back and pull up my threads where I broke positions and see the one re: TE. TE is/was our problem. I am way more concerned with Jace and Tonyan taking a step than I am Lazard.

[bobblehead]

Huh, I didn't know that. /s

Well then why do you think they belong in the top 10 in the league? Why are ours horrible? This thread is about the WR position and honestly KCs is marginally better than ours.

[bobblehead]

So you basically just uncovered another hole in the Packers offense and not having “Elite TE Play.”

I would tend to agree as I don’t believe Sternberger will project to that level. Have to wait and see.

Get it at TE or WR you still need to get it somewhere and we currently don’t.

I didn't "just uncover another hole" I identified the primary hole which I did last year...like for real right here on this board, unlike you who identified WR as the problem in a bar somewhere and now want credit for "knowing it all along". The WR talent on this roster was good enough to get us to 13-3. The D was average, the TEs were awful. We had only one good RB. Its amazing we won 13 games with no TE, no WR, only one RB and a horrible OL (according to tex).

[bobblehead]

Your position on Kelce makes a determination harder.

If Kelce counts as a WR or you just want receiving threats, then KC is better top to bottom.

You could argue that Adams trumps Kelce, but the depth on GB is bad. If Lazard continues to play well for a full year, or Scantron regains form or ESB breaks through, then it might be a closer call. I saw the KC depth make some big plays for them.

Again, the offenses in the SB had one thing in common. An elite TE. Any team not in the SB wasn't better than we were last year. Titans also made a championship game and no one would claim they have better WR than us. We have good enough WR to win it all. We lack at TE. We have all young talent entering a 2nd year in the flower offense + Rodgers. If we don't win this year my guess is it won't be because we lack WR talent.

[RashanGary]

PFF just ranked receiver classes for the 2020 season. Packers ranked 26.

Funchess a nice possession receiver with no big play ability.

Relying heavily on Lazard and Sternberger taking steps.

Pretty much what Brandon and Bretsky are saying.

Realistic. My excitement about Lazard might be misguided.

[RashanGary]

You guys do make sense. There is as much if a chance as those guys not panning out as guys planning out. No way to know for sure right now, honestly, I lean on the side of excitement for the guys making it. But this shit has bit us and the Patriots (banking on finding a LT last year) and 49ers (banking on gorappalo to win a SB) in the ass. Might not be our year.

Might be our year!

[GB-Brandon]

Aaron Rodgers - poor first camp but everyone knew he was sitting
Aaron Jones - I don't get this one, he was obviously the best back on the roster even when hurt - it showed all of camp
Jace Sternberger - he was hurt
Davante Adams - don't get this one either, was a great 3rd WR as a rookie
Zadarius Smith - dunno
Kenny Clark - played well, wasn't dominating until late. Got better as rookie season progresses. Compare him to Mt Adams or Keke.
Kevin King - was hurt otherwise looked fine

Thank you for addressing that for me. It was pretty simple.

[bobblehead]

I agree with this but this whole "Gute Experience" which I admit the jury is still out on is giving me a new found appreciation for Ted Thompson and I can't believe I'm saying that.

This says it all. You are a total monday morning QB who doesn't have time to respond to JHs point, but has plenty of time to bitch and moan non stop.

I on the other hand loved TT and defended him often. I also have been extremely anti Gutes so far. I think we reversed course. Great GM horrible coach. Now we have horrible GM great coach. But I'm a realist and am aware of my table image. We won 13 games and made the NFCC last year with a new offense and a rookie head coach. Thats impressive unless you are a whiny bitch that thinks you are entitled to 4 Owls every 5 years. If we have a horrible year and Gutes picks continue to not impress then I was right. If we have a great year and Gary steps up and Tonyan and Jace step up then Gutes is putting a winner on the field. If fat mike wins 14 games next year in dallas with that loaded roster he is a better coach than I gave him credit for. My guess is jason garrett like results.

[GB-Brandon]

Most WR can't block even a CB...most won't even try. This is Flowers whole philosophy. I want guy who will either block or beat the man covering him. Thus big WR like Funchess and Lazard.

I know Kelce ain't kittles in the blocking department, but he ain't jimmy fucking graham either. And Kelce destroys teams in the middle of the field because a LB can't cover him and if you use a DB he crushes him in the run game. He is a TE.

And last year while you and Brandon were saying WR was the weakness, I was saying TE. Go back and pull up my threads where I broke positions and see the one re: TE. TE is/was our problem. I am way more concerned with Jace and Tonyan taking a step than I am Lazard.

Your making it more difficult then it is though. "It's Still gotta come from Somwhere." Fine, get it at TE and that would be great. The Chiefs are getting it at TE and WR. They have two players, Kelce and Tyreek Hill that are elite. We have one at any of those positions.. They also have a supporting cast much stronger then ours. Once again Watkins, Hardman and D. Robinson trump our guys in any order.

Were comparing apples and oranges here.

For me it just seems harder to find a Kelce then it is an AJ Brown.

[bobblehead]

PFF just ranked receiver classes for the 2020 season. Packers ranked 26.

Funchess a nice possession receiver with no big play ability.

Relying heavily on Lazard and Sternberger taking steps.

Pretty much what Brandon and Bretsky are saying.

Realistic. My excitement about Lazard might be misguided.

Can you have a top 5 WR in the entire league while being so horrible everywhere else as to drop to 26? Doesn't having your #1 WR being better than 27 other teams warrant you finishing ahead of at least 15 of them?

[bobblehead]

Your making it more difficult then it is though. "It's Still gotta come from Somwhere." Fine, get it at TE and that would be great. The Chiefs are getting it at TE and WR. They have two players, Kelce and Tyreek Hill that are elite. We have one at any of those positions.. They also have a supporting cast much stronger then ours. Once again Watkins, Hardman and D. Robinson trump our guys.

Were comparing apples and oranges here.

Well...you are because you keep trying to compare a 5'9" speedster like Tyreek Hill to a 6'5" mauler like Kelce. You say our WR suck. Then you want to use TE as the reason why. Thats the apples to oranges. What you really mean is we don't have the WEAPONS that KC has. Then you must include Jones who was better than any RB KC had last year and the weapons are back to even.

The truth is that KC had it come together last year. Maholmes at his best with enough weapons to work with and all being in the same system for years. Andy Reid arguably designs the best offense in the game, and next would be Shannahan. They played in the big game. We were year one with Flower and just maybe we get better in year 2.