2020 Wide Receivers

[Zool]

I can't find the video of him short arming the long throw against the Bears. His one trick was more like an illusion last season.

[pbmax]

Like a QB who can throw you open, a receiver who can use his hands to make himself open.

[RashanGary]

I can't find the video of him short arming the long throw against the Bears. His one trick was more like an illusion last season.

He has 9 over 40 in his first two years. It's in the top 10 in the NFL for that span

[pbmax]

He has 9 over 40 in his first two years. It's in the top 10 in the NFL for that span

Little like Billy Schroeder.. Great if wide open but ask them to run a route to form and compete for the ball, suddenly less interested.

I am not as down on him as Harv seems to be, but he has to be more competitive in traffic. Rodgers will throw contested balls to guys to battle. If not, its not going there.

[Zool]

He has 9 over 40 in his first two years. It's in the top 10 in the NFL for that span

I had to go look at his game logs. This was from the 2019 season.
1 week one
1 week three
1 week six
2 week seven

I guess my lasting memory is his disappearing act in the second half of the season. I didn't get to watch the Raiders last year, but that was by far his best game statistically. He was awful the last 9 games 19 targets, 5 catches, 37 yards. Maybe he will be better, but he sure looked bad every time I watched him. The one I keep going back to was week one where it alligator armed a bomb when he had 2-3 steps on the DB and there was no way a safety was going to be there. Lazard looked so much better.

For the season he had 56 targets, 26 catches, 452 yards. 46% completion is horrible.

[mraynrand]

There was a Russell Wilson highlight reel that NFL.com was running on Twitter. It was a lot of big completions that featured a LOT of tough adjustments and catches by his receivers. Except for MVS versus the Raiders, Packers simply have not had that.

Jones had an exceptional adjustment in that game too. You bet it helps if the receiver can win at the catch point. Would like to see a little of that MichaelIrvin-esque competitiveness from Funchess. He's done it in the past.

[mraynrand]

The one I keep going back to was week one where it alligator armed a bomb when he had 2-3 steps on the DB and there was no way a safety was going to be there.

reminded me of those James Jones drops. This is MVS's Donald Driver year. He has to make a significant leap this year or he is gone. He may just not have it in him. Wonder what his offseason regimen looks like...

[texaspackerbacker]

Michael Irvin's bread and butter is routinely called OPI nowadays.

Yeah about Valdez-Scantling being in that now or never time like Driver was. I wouldn't bet against him either.

[HarveyWallbangers]

reminded me of those James Jones drops. This is MVS's Donald Driver year. He has to make a significant leap this year or he is gone. He may just not have it in him. Wonder what his offseason regimen looks like...

James Jones had the dropsies one year, but you could tell the ball skills were there. It seemed to be more focus drops. Hand-eye coordination and route timing are lacking for MVS. One of the things I look for in a WR are his ability to adjust his running when the ball is in the air. I liked Greg Jennings because of his ability to adjust to a ball in the air. MVS is more Qadry Ismail than James Jones. I'd like to be wrong.

[mraynrand]

MVS is more Qadry Ismail than James Jones. I'd like to be wrong.

That'a a good comparison. I was joking with the Jones quip. You were spot on when you originally called out MVS as a poor point of catch/coordination guy. It pops out with respect to other receivers once you start looking for it. That's why I wonder what he's up to this summer. A good eye exam follow by some really specific targeted drills might be his only chance. But he was a raw seventh rounder, like Driver. If I recall, Driver had the great leaping/athletic ability/fearlessness to run inside/strong hands at the start. I seem to recall his route running was initially pretty spotty.

[RashanGary]

Saw a post by Lazards dad on Twitter. Spent some time reading up on Lazard.

Dad is a coach. Taught Lazard subtleties at a young age (something Rodgers noticed right away)

Mentally tough. Fearless. Competitive. Plays his best when everything is on the line.

He lost 15 pounds, from 230 to 215 after his rookie practice squad year to dial in on WR as his position.

Basketball standout in highschool (a lot of great receivers cite basketball as the foundation for great footwork as a WR)

Lazard said his running feels more explosive and powerful since the weight loss. He ran a 4.55 at 227 so I'm guessing he's more of a 4.50 guy now. Thay is really good speed to go with that kind of size.


The more I dig into Lazard, those Kenny Golladay and Mike Evans comps look more and more realistic.

[Upnorth]

The more I dig into Lazard, those Kenny Golladay and Mike Evans comps look more and more realistic.

I hope you are right but I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't expect Lazard to come close to Mike Evans, but I'm convinced that he's not a one year wonder like Boykin and Allison. I expect him to have a nice, long career (a James Jones type career).

[GB-Brandon]

“Mediocrity”

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/12/packers-have-nfls-slowest-skill-position-grouping/

[Joemailman]

“Mediocrity”

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/202...tion-grouping/

So what this shows is that the offenses with the fastest speed at skill positions ranked 23rd, 6th, 28th, 19th and 13th. The offenses with the slowest speed at skill position ranked 18th, 15th, 7th, 10th and 29th. Very little difference. And by speed we mean how fast guys ran the 40 at the combine. Perhaps timed speed isn't the best way to judge explosiveness of an offensive player. Aaron Jones ran a mediocre 40 time but few would argue that he's not an explosive player. I'm not saying Jeremiah's numbers are wrong. Just not very relevant.