2020 Wide Receivers

[RashanGary]

So the 50/50 thing is a rough starting point that changes with opponent, personnel and even the ol' ride the hot hand once the game starts idea.... And so many more.

But building a team that can run the ball well, like the Packers seem to be doing is really built to pass for a lot of yards even if they pass a little less often percentage wise

[RashanGary]

I've never heard a coach insistent on 50/50 ball. They all want to run it well, but I think most do that because they know it opens up the passing game and high scoring offense.

[texaspackerbacker]

If I had

Jennings in his prime
Jordy in his prime
Finley in his prime
J. Jones in his prime
And Donald Driver

And then a whole crew of good pass blocking OL anchored by Sitton, Lang and Bulaga..... AND Aaron Rodgers in his prime......


And a shitty running back


50/50 on first down wouldn't make much sense for me.

Very True, but even I, one of the biggest proponents of pass-first, am coming around to maybe not run-first, but a fairly balanced attack.

[sharpe1027]

I'm not questioning that being difficult to predict can lead to big plays. Nobody is saying that's not that case. I mean the concept is sports 101.

This conversation started with criticism of this: "That starts with play calling (and) maybe take a few more chances to help generate those plays down the field"

So, is the argument that play calling does not help create big plays? Will taking more chances not lead to more big plays?

[RashanGary]

Very True, but even I, one of the biggest proponents of pass-first, am coming around to maybe not run-first, but a fairly balanced attack.

It's run more often to pass more successfully and score more points.

[RashanGary]

I'm not questioning that being difficult to predict can lead to big plays. Nobody is saying that's not that case. I mean the concept is sports 101.

This conversation started with criticism of this: "That starts with play calling (and) maybe take a few more chances to help generate those plays down the field"

So, is the argument that play calling does not help create big plays? Will taking more chances not lead to more big plays?

It probably will and should. So many factors go into big pass plays.

Great personnel makes big pass plays more likely
A great run game opens up big pass plays
Blown coverages
Play calling

So many things affect big pass plays. Sure, one of them is coaching and Calling plays to get more. Not so sure calling the plays will be enough though. A lot of factors go in. With this offense, I'd rather see it organic. Run the ball so well, AR will get some favorable looks and exploit the hell out of it. I'd rather see it come this way than forced.

Not good to force the run game either. Not good to force anything.

[RashanGary]

If we played the browns and they were insistent on matching Aaron Jones with BJ Goodson, id take some shots down field there.

If a team is playing dime personnel and skinny DL to pass rush and you think you have the guys to pound it down their throats, I wouldn't be forcing deep passes there. I'd run more.

Its so fluid with so many variables. Bill Walsh wrote pages upon pages about his concepts and the why's. For us to do that here, discuss.thst deep, to try to make everything concrete in few enough words to keep each other's attention spans.

I'm not seeing this conversation getting locked down. And even in trying to lock it down, if we allowed ourselves that type of depth, something with so many variables is like trying to take a picture of the ocean as it is. A second later, and it's moved. It never stays in the same. Always changing.

[sharpe1027]

It probably will and should. So many factors go into big pass plays.

Great personnel makes big pass plays more likely
A great run game opens up big pass plays
Blown coverages
Play calling

So many things affect big pass plays. Sure, one of them is coaching and Calling plays to get more. Not so sure calling the plays will be enough though. A lot of factors go in. With this offense, I'd rather see it organic. Run the ball so well, AR will get some favorable looks and exploit the hell out of it. I'd rather see it come this way than forced.

Not good to force the run game either. Not good to force anything.

Okay. Reading between the lines, he thinks they missed opportunities to test the defense with some shots down the field. Disagree?

[RashanGary]

As soon as you start talking about just dialing up big plays, you immediate open the door to the execution discussion, the personnel discussion and the scheme discussion.

Honestly assessing our roster, I dont think the deep passing game is the strength of our personnel.

The personnel strength is starting to be versatile TEs and backs who can run or pass and take advantage of what the defense gives.

So as soon as you start talking about scheming more big plays you get people talking about how to get the right matchups because we just don't have the guys to force that type of game down anyobes throat. We're more likely to have a Billy turner wiff or MVS drop than a 40 yard bomb. So people start talking about how ya gonna do with with these guys?

Run to set up the pass starts making more sense once you let go of the pleasant but unlikely idea that you can just throw it downfield at will because you dialed up the play and said so.

[RashanGary]

Okay. Reading between the lines, he thinks they missed opportunities to test the defense with some shots down the field. Disagree?

I think he looked at stats and numbers after the season was over and realized his offense was missing big plays. So he's digging for ways to make big plays with the talent he has on the roster now.

[sharpe1027]

I think he looked at stats and numbers after the season was over and realized his offense was missing big plays. So he's digging for ways to make big plays with the talent he has on the roster now.

So, you disagree then?

[pbmax]

It's run more often to pass more successfully and score more points.

I have news for Flower Power offense fans. The Packers pass game is still more potent AND has more potential to be improved.

There is not much room left at the top end for the running game. Top 3 or 4 last two years (DVOA).

If there was ever a chance with Rodgers that defenses would shift attention to the run game, this year will be it. But I bet it still doesn't happen.

[pbmax]

Very True, but even I, one of the biggest proponents of pass-first, am coming around to maybe not run-first, but a fairly balanced attack.

Et tu Brute?

[texaspackerbacker]

hahahaha What I should have said is that it has a lot to do with my high opinion of Aaron Jones. I still don't think much of grind it out football, but when you've got a breakaway RB who is fairly durable and motivated by a contract year, ride him.

[Radagast]

This is a WR thread, but RBs catch footballs too. Including the rookie RB A.J.Dillon , which RB is best catching passes?