2020 Wide Receivers

[GB-Brandon]

Now you really show your brilliance. You could get a GM to give you something for Josh Jackson and Jamaal Williams...anything. That would make you the best GM in history.

David Johnson was packaged in with a draft pick for Deandre Hopkins and David Johnson hasn’t been all that productive lately.

I could see where we could package one of those players with a draft pick for a player such as Corey Davis.

I could definitely see the Chiefs being interested in Williams for Sammy Watkins Deal as they need RB help.

Thank you for all the flattery though.

[GB-Brandon]

So D had the it factor and Rodgers was lying about MVS last year. Got it. You are very intelligent.

Okay, Mr. Never Ever Land.

Check out what Adams did at Fresno State.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/davante-adams-1.html

So by this metric he completely dominated his competition and had the production. Basically nobody could stop him. Then you evaluate his tape and it is absolutely “Magnificent”. His combine scores just needed to be okay and they were. His jumps were great. In fact Thompson was asked in interview during draft about his high 4.5 40 and if he was fast enough and Thompson said “Our watch says he is” which was so true.

This is where I draw the line between Gute and Thompson. Gute doesn’t appear to have the same “scouting eye” that Thompson has for tape and production and relies more heavily on RAS scores on combine numbers. This is where you think your getting this great high ceiling player like MVS that usually never works out.

This is also where you think your getting the next Lawrence Taylor in Rashan Gary.

This is also where you think your getting the Next Patrick Mahommes with Jordan Love.

Yet none of these guys have the production to back it up!!!!!

See a pattern here? I am starting to really miss a healthy Ted Thompson.

[GB-Brandon]

Nor should he have any such input or influence. He is paid (very well) to be their QB with all it entails on the field, in the locker room and with and among the players. The last thing I want is Rodgers as "GM, Jr."

It should not be the goal or responsibility of the GM, coach, Pres or others to make Rodgers happy or appease him, other than when they can do so consistent with their overall plans for the organization, both short term and long.

While i don't believe Rodgers should be involved in constructing the roster I do believe when you have QB that is such a big part of what you do and who you are that giving him a weapon or two that he feels good about shouldn't be entirely off the table.

I don't see the harm in at least getting his input on something like that.

[GB-Brandon]

Now I will say if the Packers could get a legitimate no.2 then MVS would be one of the guys I would keep. He then would have more value as a guy that could get matched up with his speed in more favorable 1 on 1 situations giving him some chances to win.

Once again Gute has not done anything to make any of this happen. The framework is simply not there.

[Patler]

While i don't believe Rodgers should be involved in constructing the roster I do believe when you have QB that is such a big part of what you do and who you are that giving him a weapon or two that he feels good about shouldn't be entirely off the table.

I don't see the harm in at least getting his input on something like that.

I do. Just a few of the reasons that come to mind:

1. - Increases the inclination of the player to think he should have input in other or all similar situations.
2. - Makes the player feel even more slighted when his input/opinions are ignored.
3. - Becomes unworkable during very active off seasons when front offices consider a multitude of potential deals. Makes #2, above more likely to occur, especially when #1 is in play.
4. - Even further separates the player from being "one of the guys" albeit more highly paid than the others.

While it might be workable with some players, I would be especially reluctant to involve Rodgers, because he has already expressed a degree of displeasure in not being involved in several coaching changes, decisions I would never want a player involved in. He needs a clearly defined line, I think. No grey areas.

[gbgary]

It’s very clear at this point that Rodgers has zero input or influence on what the front office does as far as personnel moves or trying to make him happy or appease him in any fashion.

I have a hard time believing the best option on the table was bringing in Malik Turner and Travis Fulgham all things considered. The Packers have assets to trade such as Jamal Williams and Josh Jackson along with draft picks and cap space. This is not an organization acting with any urgency to WIN NOW.

they have very little cap and will need to roll over as much as they can to help mitigate the disaster the cap will be in the next 3-4 years. the guys they have get open (as film nerds have pointed out many times) rodgers just needs to throw to them. he's notorious for avoiding the middle of the field. rodgers hates most of MLF's offense. the urgency was used up last year. now they're thinking about the future.

[GB-Brandon]

they have very little cap and will need to roll over as much as they can to help mitigate the disaster the cap will be in the next 3-4 years. the guys they have get open (as film nerds have pointed out many times) rodgers just needs to throw to them. he's notorious for avoiding the middle of the field. rodgers hates most of MLF's offense. the urgency was used up last year. now they're thinking about the future.

According to PFF Adams is the only one with a real positive score of “Getting Open” or beating press coverage consistently. I’ve seen cut up screen shots that have shown some things but tough to say on those things as a whole. Things are different live and Rodgers doesn’t have a long history of just missing wide open receivers. Does he not like LaFleur’s offense? That’s possible but as far as I’m concerned Rodgers is more special then Murphy, Gute, Pettine and Flower Boy combined. None of them are anything special and the wrong people were brought in to replace the last regime IMO which will prove to be more costly then the cap situation moving forward.

When this Jordan Love gets in there people are gonna realize real quick how good they had it. He will “throw the ball”, that’s for sure as he showed that at Utah State last year for 17 interceptions. This dude is a pick machine. Running the football and throwing picks doesn’t mix either. Lol. We’re gonna see him sooner then later. That’s for sure.

[run pMc]

*cough* Ryan Tannehill

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-tannehill-1.html

Hard to say how J.Love will look, but his first season I expect it to be rocky. That doesn't mean he'll bust. Rodgers looked garbage his first stints in preseason.

I'd have liked to see a WR picked - I am shocked they didn't - but there is some logic in building a strong run game, losing Graham and Allison, and giving the young WR a mulligan (as some would argue Adams got). It would certainly help to improve the talent at WR, but maybe one of MVS/ESB figure out how to beat press and get Rodgers' trust. A rookie or even Funchess would have to work to "earn" Rodgers trust if the stories are to be believed.

And Rodgers does hold the ball too long, and does not like to throw in the middle of the field (more likely to be picked). He will need to adapt and I think he's somewhat open but it will take a while.

[GB-Brandon]

I do. Just a few of the reasons that come to mind:

1. - Increases the inclination of the player to think he should have input in other or all similar situations.
2. - Makes the player feel even more slighted when his input/opinions are ignored.
3. - Becomes unworkable during very active off seasons when front offices consider a multitude of potential deals. Makes #2, above more likely to occur, especially when #1 is in play.
4. - Even further separates the player from being "one of the guys" albeit more highly paid than the others.

While it might be workable with some players, I would be especially reluctant to involve Rodgers, because he has already expressed a degree of displeasure in not being involved in several coaching changes, decisions I would never want a player involved in. He needs a clearly defined line, I think. No grey areas.

Bottom line is they have a Super Bowl MVP HOF QB that has carried the franchise for several years where the relationship is now in question. I’m not certain this has been handled the right way at all. We shall see.

[GB-Brandon]

I do. Just a few of the reasons that come to mind:

1. - Increases the inclination of the player to think he should have input in other or all similar situations.
2. - Makes the player feel even more slighted when his input/opinions are ignored.
3. - Becomes unworkable during very active off seasons when front offices consider a multitude of potential deals. Makes #2, above more likely to occur, especially when #1 is in play.
4. - Even further separates the player from being "one of the guys" albeit more highly paid than the others.

While it might be workable with some players, I would be especially reluctant to involve Rodgers, because he has already expressed a degree of displeasure in not being involved in several coaching changes, decisions I would never want a player involved in. He needs a clearly defined line, I think. No grey areas.

Bottom line is they have a Super Bowl MVP HOF QB that has carried the franchise for several years where the relationship is now in question. I’m not certain this has been handled the right way at all. We shall see.

[GB-Brandon]

*cough* Ryan Tannehill

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-tannehill-1.html

Hard to say how J.Love will look, but his first season I expect it to be rocky. That doesn't mean he'll bust. Rodgers looked garbage his first stints in preseason.

I'd have liked to see a WR picked - I am shocked they didn't - but there is some logic in building a strong run game, losing Graham and Allison, and giving the young WR a mulligan (as some would argue Adams got). It would certainly help to improve the talent at WR, but maybe one of MVS/ESB figure out how to beat press and get Rodgers' trust. A rookie or even Funchess would have to work to "earn" Rodgers trust if the stories are to be believed.

And Rodgers does hold the ball too long, and does not like to throw in the middle of the field (more likely to be picked). He will need to adapt and I think he's somewhat open but it will take a while.

What if the running game doesn’t improve? How is it such a lock it does? Aaron Jones has shown he can have problems staying healthy. After all Dillion is a rookie. Bulaga will be missed and Wagner IMO is a significant downgrade that appears to be regressing with his own injury concerns. One more injury on the OL and all the sudden the big running game could more or less stall.

Rodgers has always held the ball too long. It’s obvious he doesn’t trust his receivers that much outside Adams. He used to launch 50/50 balls all the time to guys like JJ and Jordy and even Cobb at times. Rodgers doesn’t LOVE these new guys and I don’t care what anybody says. It’s more like he is stuck with them. Gute needed to freshen it up and didn’t do shit so here we are.

[GB-Brandon]

Rodgers used to throw “inside Man Beaters” to J. Finley, Jordy and Jennings all the time. Cobb too. Still does to Adams at times. We don’t have anyone that can beat man press release to the inside. All they have to do is double Adams. Not Rodgers Fault!!!!

Go get some weapons and quit fuken around!!!

[GB-Brandon]

Gute has also failed to mix it up more at the WR position. There is just too much of an excess of 6’2-6’4 210-230 pound possession receivers on this roster. The whole “Big Slot” thing was a failed experiment too. Jimmie Graham didn’t help the situation last year either. If the Packers really want to open the middle of the field they need some “Short Area Speed-Quickness” and I’m not talking about Tyler Ervin or Darrius Shepperd.

I just can’t believe the current state of the whole situation.

[GB-Brandon]

I think it’s pretty simple. Rodgers isn’t gonna throw his All-Time Great Passer Rating away for these scrubs to bumble it away as he doesn’t trust them. Mine as well throw Love in there to throw rocket balls around. Nothing really to lose at this point.

[sharpe1027]

I do. Just a few of the reasons that come to mind:

1. - Increases the inclination of the player to think he should have input in other or all similar situations.
2. - Makes the player feel even more slighted when his input/opinions are ignored.
3. - Becomes unworkable during very active off seasons when front offices consider a multitude of potential deals. Makes #2, above more likely to occur, especially when #1 is in play.
4. - Even further separates the player from being "one of the guys" albeit more highly paid than the others.

While it might be workable with some players, I would be especially reluctant to involve Rodgers, because he has already expressed a degree of displeasure in not being involved in several coaching changes, decisions I would never want a player involved in. He needs a clearly defined line, I think. No grey areas.

All true, but frankly, who's to say they didn't get his input in he first place? Has he said nobody ever talked to him about the direction of the team?