Why the Packers are better than last year: D edition

[GB-Brandon]

I lack patience and like to jump the gun. Always felt it was a weakness. Shit, it might be a strength. Some packer fans on Twitter and Brandon make me feel really calm and collected.

Spend a training camp watching him and get back to me.

[RashanGary]

Spend a training camp watching him and get back to me.

I went quite a bit last year. Adams and Alexander were the best competition to watch.

[RashanGary]

King looked good too. I think king should get more chances vs Adams to sharpen his craft.

[GB-Brandon]

King looked good too. I think king should get more chances vs Adams to sharpen his craft.

I think King has developed nicely and is poised to have a good season which is gonna make for a real difficult decision for the Packers.

He has come along. When he first got here he was just so “Grabby”. He has cleaned that up quite a bit. Then there is the “Health Thing”

I see the Packers letting him go. This was our year to push in no doubt about it.

[texaspackerbacker]

Yeah, but all 4 guys learning to work together in positions that require cohesion.... Packers secondary is primed for a huge season. Let's call them top 10 last year due to pass rush adjustment. This year is going to be significantly better.

I guess you've passed me up as top optimist in the Packer section of the forum hahahaha. More power to you for that.

Yeah, cohesion is important, but in the Pettine system of all out man coverage, the premium is being able to cover on an island. I don't see King doing an adequate job of that even healthy. Alexander, as good as he is, just barely gets the job done - good against most WRs, not so good against the top tier. I really wish they were so damn stubborn about not playing zone. This cohesive bunch might be really special in that kind of D.

I never heard it said that Pettine was a 3/4 and 4/3 genius. It seems like we have generally had personnel better suited for 4/3 and not played it. The reason our Corners are on those islands and so much man coverage in general is that the Smiths and Gary are anything but classic OLBs. They are excellent at what they do, being edge rushers, but like somebody said in this thread, LBs back up the line, and that ain't their strong suit. Don't get me wrong, I like going all in for pass rush, and ideally, I don't hate man coverage. I just think coaches should let personnel dictate the style of D they play, not the other way around.

[pbmax]

He has played 3-4 defensive end before at Houston. He is exactly the what we need to pair with Kenny Clark. Pass rush would be amazing and Clowney is so gifted he can hold up against the run as a 3-4 DE.

The Seahawks moved him around some too and used him inside at times.

I think Gary and Smith get those snap inside on passing downs. But they need OLB depth so maybe there is a spot? Doubt the price works though.

I'd like a run stuffer (Harrison) or an upgrade over Lowry at 3 tech. Ideally, big enough to hold a gap but with some pass rush, however, then I am describing half the League's shopping list.

[Bretsky]

I think Gary and Smith get those snap inside on passing downs. But they need OLB depth so maybe there is a spot? Doubt the price works though.

I'd like a run stuffer (Harrison) or an upgrade over Lowry at 3 tech. Ideally, big enough to hold a gap but with some pass rush, however, then I am describing half the League's shopping list.

How can we possibly upgrade somebody from Northwestern ? )))

[texaspackerbacker]

Does anybody know the status of Gerald Willis - former 1st round pick, just 24 yrs old, apparently signed as a UDFA by the Packers? I read an article about the Packers D Line and no mention of him even though supposedly the whole bunch were listed. I Googled him and it still says "Packers D Lineman".

[run pMc]

Does anybody know the status of Gerald Willis - former 1st round pick, just 24 yrs old, apparently signed as a UDFA by the Packers? I read an article about the Packers D Line and no mention of him even though supposedly the whole bunch were listed. I Googled him and it still says "Packers D Lineman".

I believe Willis is still on the roster... and he was a UDFA signed by BAL originally. Perhaps you were thinking of Gerald McCoy?

[GB-Brandon]

I think Gary and Smith get those snap inside on passing downs. But they need OLB depth so maybe there is a spot? Doubt the price works though.

I'd like a run stuffer (Harrison) or an upgrade over Lowry at 3 tech. Ideally, big enough to hold a gap but with some pass rush, however, then I am describing half the League's shopping list.

Gary needs to be beefed up and become a 5 tech DE. That’s our only hope with him. Clowney is a top 25 player in the whole league. Just a very rare and unique talent. He can defend run and disrupt and rush passer. Pettine would have the final piece to make it all work and potentially make the defense elite.

[Sparkey]

This is what I was hoping but he is losing weight and not gaining weight or even staying at his playing weight last year. There gonna plug him into what Fackrell did but everything I’ve seen of Gary “In Space” is mostly a disaster. The jump he has to make is monumental. This pick is a bust. They should just throw weight on him and salvage him as a DE and count their losses.

Your the jag that talks over everyone at a party, right?

There are some things you bring up that I don't disagree with, but other times your just a fuck nob that thinks he has all the answers and likes to hear himself talk.

All those absolutes you share. Must be lonely being smarter than everyone else.

[GB-Brandon]

Your the jag that talks over everyone at a party, right?

There are some things you bring up that I don't disagree with, but other times your just a fuck nob that thinks he has all the answers and likes to hear himself talk.

All those absolutes you share. Must be lonely being smarter than everyone else.

So are you telling me I should take it Live? It has crossed my mind.

I’m not gonna bend my views to appease the masses on some of these “Fairy Tale Narratives.” I’m sorry but it’s just too much of a stretch for me. However; they have just as much right to post what they believe as I do and likewise to challenge my view as I do theirs. There are several “feel good” and “positive posts” I have done on Packer players and Moves that the organization has made over the years.

You really don’t have to read what I post. I’m simply following the teams moves and adding some insightful things I’ve seen with my own two eyeballs as a direction to my posts. It’s definitely not “main stream.”

[pbmax]

Gary needs to be beefed up and become a 5 tech DE. That’s our only hope with him. Clowney is a top 25 player in the whole league. Just a very rare and unique talent. He can defend run and disrupt and rush passer. Pettine would have the final piece to make it all work and potentially make the defense elite.

OK, in the Land of Oz, Gary gains weight to become the most freakishly athletic 5 tech ever and the Packers find the money to sing Clowney.

Here on planet Earth, Gary (a ~270 rush end, OLB, EDGE) and Smith will be in inside in a NASCAR package on must pass downs and maybe Snacks gets signed to help beef up the line.

[GB-Brandon]

OK, in the Land of Oz, Gary gains weight to become the most freakishly athletic 5 tech ever and the Packers find the money to sing Clowney.

Here on planet Earth, Gary (a ~270 rush end, OLB, EDGE) and Smith will be in inside in a NASCAR package on must pass downs and maybe Snacks gets signed to help beef up the line.

But it has kinda become the “land of OZ.” Don’t you get it? Where we ignore needs and blow picks and trade up to draft a QB that threw 17 interceptions last year at Utah State after reaching from Mars and taking Gary with the 12th pick of the last draft that also had serious production issues at Michigan.

Please tell Toto “That Were Not In KANSAS Anymore”

[texaspackerbacker]

I believe Willis is still on the roster... and he was a UDFA signed by BAL originally. Perhaps you were thinking of Gerald McCoy?

hahahaha I wish we'd gotten McCoy - he was signed by the Cowboys. Willis is potentially a star quality player, but he's an under-achiever. I don't know if the Packers staff can get him motivated, but he could be just what we need in the D Line.