Why the Packers are better than last year: D edition

[GB-Brandon]

Maybe this puts it in better perspective. Based on points this is investment made.

Rashan Gary 12th Pick. = 1200pts
Jordan Love 30th, 136th = 658 pts

Total = 1858 draft pts.

= “On The Bench”

Totally Unacceptable.

[RashanGary]

There are a whole bunch of good viewpoints here, Brandon. Lots of people see things differently than you, and if you stick around long enough, you'll see they're right a bunch of the time, just like you probably are a bunch of the time.

One thing I've never seen, not from McGinns scouts, any NFL GM and not from anyone who's ever posted here. I've never seen someone right all of the time.

Ease up, cowboy, youre just an imperfect human like the rest of humanity. You don't know it all. Get over yourself.

[GB-Brandon]

There are a whole bunch of good viewpoints here, Brandon. Lots of people see things differently than you, and if you stick around long enough, you'll see they're right a bunch of the time, just like you probably are a bunch of the time.

One thing I've never seen, not from McGinns scouts, any NFL GM and not from anyone who's ever posted here. I've never seen someone right all of the time.

Ease up, cowboy, youre just an imperfect human like the rest of humanity. You don't know it all. Get over yourself.

I’m dealing with this the best I can whether right or indifferent. If you can’t tell I’m furious over what’s going on. You haven’t seen the years of my views because I haven’t been on this forum and that’s fine. To me the unthinkable has happened and it’s way way deeper then them not getting the guy or guys I wanted. They didn’t get “Any Guys” as far as I’m concerned of what they needed which “we all saw last season” so this isn’t some giant conspiracy theory.

What’s funny is this story is just “warming up.” We’re not even halfway through the 1st chapter. We’re just finishing up the introduction.

[RashanGary]

This forum moved here after the journal sentinel message board went to shit. 2006.

I've been around all these people since before the Rodgers pick.

Nothing you're saying is unique. We've been here before. We're calm and used to this shit.

It's understandable. But most of us are just calm and used to it so we wait and see. Experience changed us all, as far as I can tell. I wouldn't expect anyone to see your viewpoint with anymore trust than we see McGinns scouts who are wrong so often. You're just a person. We don't worship you or think you're right about everything, no matter how stubborn you get about things. I tried once upon a time too. I'm not that special. I think there's a good chance you'll see how you're not that special over time too.

[GB-Brandon]

This forum moved here after the journal sentinel message board went to shit. 2006.

I've been around all these people since before the Rodgers pick.

Nothing you're saying is unique. We've been here before. We're calm and used to this shit.

It's understandable. But most of us are just calm and used to it so we wait and see. Experience changed us all, as far as I can tell. I wouldn't expect anyone to see your viewpoint with anymore trust than we see McGinns scouts who are wrong so often. You're just a person. We don't worship you or think you're right about everything, no matter how stubborn you get about things. I tried once upon a time too. I'm not that special. I think there's a good chance you'll see how you're not that special over time too.

That’s great. I enjoy many of the posts I read here. Even some of yours. I really don’t care if people think I’m special or not. It does zero for me and I’m certainly not here for my health. My posts are no more annoying then some of your posts that go on and on with all this sunshine and rainbows talk. Yet I don’t I have a problem with it. Shaking my head and rolling my eyes is fun sometimes. That’s you and you should be allowed to be you. Why should I have to modify my feelings towards a certain post that I completely disagree with. I get “positive thinking” but it’s not like we’re in the Packers locker room and i’m destroying the vibe on game day. This is a forum and last time I checked a place for people to bring new ideas and debate them.

As I’ve already posted and stated “I’m not always right” but I am right a lot. Not because I’m Nostradamus or some 3 D Chess genius. I’m sure everyone is counting what I’m posting and will hold my feet to the fire if and when I am wrong. That’s fine if they do. I trust my research and my intuition. I also have no problem admitting when I’m wrong and won’t run and hide.

With these games I have little margin for error.

[Bretsky]

But it has kinda become the “land of OZ.” Don’t you get it? Where we ignore needs and blow picks and trade up to draft a QB that threw 17 interceptions last year at Utah State after reaching from Mars and taking Gary with the 12th pick of the last draft that also had serious production issues at Michigan.

Please tell Toto “That Were Not In KANSAS Anymore”

Honest Assessment here. I hated giving up a 1st and 4th for Jordan Love when I really felt we had needs to fill with pick 30 to get back to the big show.

I would encourage you to watch Jordan Love's full Junior Season. He was really good that year when he had some talent around him and a bit of coaching stability.

I don't mind Jordan Love at all; he's got the talent/ability. We just drafted him two years too soon.

And add in that we gave him up the pick that could have been used to move up in round two for a WR, and it's a double yuk in my book.

I certainly like the player more than Gary

[GB-Brandon]

Honest Assessment here. I hated giving up a 1st and 4th for Jordan Love when I really felt we had needs to fill with pick 30 to get back to the big show.

I would encourage you to watch Jordan Love's full Junior Season. He was really good that year when he had some talent around him and a bit of coaching stability.

I don't mind Jordan Love at all; he's got the talent/ability. We just drafted him two years too soon.

And add in that we gave him up the pick that could have been used to move up in round two for a WR, and it's a double yuk in my book.

I certainly like the player more than Gary

Ive watched everything I can on Love. I’ve put out pretty thorough posts on my concerns with him and what’s good as well. That’s not to say he won’t eventually be a good QB. I think he has some things to overcome but it is possible. It’s far from a slam dunk but LaFluer’s offense will help him. As I’ve also posted I’m not mad at Jordan Love at all about this.

Yes, it was two years early which takes me down the path I have posted. Three years down the road we could be so happy about this but right now it sucks and once again there is no guarantee in 2-3 years it’s gonna work out. On top of that we had an opportunity in our face RIGHT NOW. I do not believe Jordan Love is ready to be an NFL starter at this time either.

The bottom line is it’s next to impossible to spend 1858 draft points in two years and get next to zero production and legitimately compete with the best teams in the NFL. This league is so competitive today that you need to utilize every resource you have because it all tends to add up in the end. This doesn’t mean I’m not rooting for the Packers or don’t want the best but I would not feel safe at all taking them on the “OVER” at 9.5 wins as an example of lack of confidence.

I just see a lot of problems right now as far as keeping Pettine to WR to RT to DL to ILB to potentially the secondary with an injury or two. Any of these things can become a disaster and I can explain them all. I’m not certain today’s version of Rodgers will be able to overcome getting nothing right now from 1858 draft points over two years. We really needed some help. I don’t feel any better about this team then I did at seasons end and in some ways I feel worse..

[HarveyWallbangers]

This forum moved here after the journal sentinel message board went to shit. 2006.

I've been around all these people since before the Rodgers pick.

Nothing you're saying is unique. We've been here before. We're calm and used to this shit.

It's understandable. But most of us are just calm and used to it so we wait and see. Experience changed us all, as far as I can tell. I wouldn't expect anyone to see your viewpoint with anymore trust than we see McGinns scouts who are wrong so often. You're just a person. We don't worship you or think you're right about everything, no matter how stubborn you get about things. I tried once upon a time too. I'm not that special. I think there's a good chance you'll see how you're not that special over time too.

RG, the voice of reason. I remember playing Guitar Hero with Bretsky, Michele, Madtown, Superfan, and RG until 5-6 in the morning. Partial was passed out on the couch.

Shit, I've had two daughters and gotten a divorce--and I'm still here arguing with you dumbshits. I'm so old I remember when RG was a know it all and Bretsky was an optimistic realist.

[Bretsky]

RG, the voice of reason. I remember playing Guitar Hero with Bretsky, Michele, Madtown, Superfan, and RG until 5-6 in the morning. Partial was passed out on the couch.

Shit, I've had two daughters and gotten a divorce--and I'm still here arguing with you dumbshits. I'm so old I remember when RG was a know it all and Bretsky was an optimistic realist.

HA

Don 't forget the part about me kicking your @ss in WI Bowling....haha

[pbmax]

Maybe this puts it in better perspective. Based on points this is investment made.

Rashan Gary 12th Pick. = 1200pts
Jordan Love 30th, 136th = 658 pts

Total = 1858 draft pts.

= “On The Bench”

Totally Unacceptable.

If I was building a franchise I would quite possibly make this same point.

But its not how they (Wolf's Packer proteges) view the draft. Its sacrosanct to pick for the future, even to the present's detriment.

However, I made a point earlier that 2019 in retrospect might seem exactly like 2007. Except no one knows if Love can play and the Packers were increasingly sure Rodgers could.

So this might be 2005. Clearing the decks, one wackdoodle pick (Gary is going to get snaps one way or another so I don't think he's truly on the bench) and a 2-3 year window.

[falco]

RG, the voice of reason. I remember playing Guitar Hero with Bretsky, Michele, Madtown, Superfan, and RG until 5-6 in the morning. Partial was passed out on the couch.

Shit, I've had two daughters and gotten a divorce--and I'm still here arguing with you dumbshits. I'm so old I remember when RG was a know it all and Bretsky was an optimistic realist.

It's interesting the ties that bind forum members here...

- Joe once delivered my mail
- I ran into Esoxx at the Kwik Trip on Grand (across from the cemetery)
- My favorite - I was driving a deserted road in the middle of nowhere in NE Wisconsin and came up on Fosco's dad, needing a jump and miles from civilization

These were all circa 2005-2008 I think.

[pbmax]

It's interesting the ties that bind forum members here...

- Joe once delivered my mail
- I ran into Esoxx at the Kwik Trip on Grand (across from the cemetery)
- My favorite - I was driving a deserted road in the middle of nowhere in NE Wisconsin and came up on Fosco's dad, needing a jump and miles from civilization

These were all circa 2005-2008 I think.

Was he wearing a name badge that said "Hello, I am Fosco's Dad"?

[falco]

Was he wearing a name badge that said "Hello, I am Fosco's Dad"?

the exact story is lost to time, but I think his dad shared a story with me that Fosco similarly relayed months/years later in the forum; when I mentioned to him that I had picked his dad up he didn't believe it until he validated the story with him.

I can't imagine the odds...

[texaspackerbacker]

I stopped by a George Webb for a burger in Milwaukee, and in the Corner in the Back flipping burgers was this scruffy looking over-age Beavis & Butthead type guy ..... but no, it couldn't have been APB hahahahaha. It was almost closing time. I think he was gonna shut down the place.

[RashanGary]

PFF listed the top 8 defenses from a year ago. Packers 8th overall.

I do think they can crack top 5 with just a little bit of growth from the secondary as a talented, fast, now veteran unit. Also the growth of Gary and Keke solidifying the DL depth and shoring up the run defends just a couple ticks to move them into top 5 overall.