Brandon Marshall says Packers wasted Rodgers career

[GB-Brandon]

Not that I'm fond of the pick, but I honestly don't see how taking a QB in R1 ruins their whole year.
They signed 2 WRs in FA, got rid of Jimmy and G-Mo, drafted for the run game, got 2 new LBs, and another year for MVS and ESB in the MLF offense.

Could it be that, under Gute, they are changing the way they do things? I think Gute is more Wolf than Ted.

As for Rodgers, I certainly don't take his talent or production for granted. He's won a SB and has been MVP, and is the best QB in the division (Stafford's pretty good too). He's also slipped quite a way from 2011. Age, injuries, and a few bad habits are going to do that. We can call him a great player and a future HOFer because of past deeds. If you look at his last 3 seasons he's been very good, but I think you would have a hard time convincing many he's playing at an elite, Top-5 QB level.

Hopefully it won’t “Ruin The Whole Year” but there is certainly cause for concern and this has been discussed in depth for months now as far as the details and I don’t care to repeat all of them. Heck, I even read somewhere it was the worst move by the Packers in the last decade. So many possible negative implications by this move. Gute certainly backed himself into a corner. That’s for sure.

Despite what some think I’m hoping for the best but this isn’t good. They didn’t bring in shit. Maybe some “Walmart” but certainly no Fucken “TESLA”

Gute needs to quite being a pussy and go get some Fucken TESLA!!!!

I love TESLA!! The Packers should too.

[GB-Brandon]

LIke that Bears game where Rodgers carried them singlehandedly to a 10-3 win. Vikings 21-16? Lions 23-22? The 3 game stretch we scored 11, 24 and 8? The 20-15 win over the Redskins? 21-13 over the Bears? 23-10 over the Vikes?

Lets be honest here. The packers defense was pretty damn good last year and lead us to a 13 win regular season. They couldn't stop SF 2x and as a result we lost. Rodgers did not put up a massive amount of points last year.

He is good, very good. He is not carrying this team anymore. Not last year, not the last 3 years. I almost want him gone just so people can see that he is not God walking among us.

Yes, your right for once. The overall talent “Last Season” was better then usual overall as far as the “53 man roster.” They still lacked firepower on offense though and a couple pieces on defense. Still there was optimism heading into the offseason.

Then Gute proceeded to Shit the Bed at the worst possible time and the bed still stinks. People can talk there way around it and make excuse’s and say “let’s see how it plays out” and that’s fine. The bottom line is they did not aggressively address there weaknesses from last season. You could actually make a point where they have even more holes when you look at RT and ILB with probable health issues.

The motto has conveniently switched to “We’re. gonna run the Fuck out of the Football” and that’s all fine and dandy but it’s still a passing league. It’s still gonna come down to AR12 making plays at the end of the game and it’s still gonna come down to our defense being able to STOP THE RUN. Neither of these I feel all that great about with what Gute has done to address any of this.

[GB-Brandon]

Antonio Brown is out there and cheap too. Go get Antonio Brown. Do something!!!

Thats “BARGAIN TESLA”

[GB-Brandon]

If the Packers were to get Antonio Brown I would put a mask on and head on right over to Lambeau!!!

[sharpe1027]

Yes, your right for once. The overall talent “Last Season” was better then usual overall as far as the “53 man roster.” They still lacked firepower on offense though and a couple pieces on defense. Still there was optimism heading into the offseason.

Then Gute proceeded to Shit the Bed at the worst possible time and the bed still stinks. People can talk there way around it and make excuse’s and say “let’s see how it plays out” and that’s fine. The bottom line is they did not aggressively address there weaknesses from last season. You could actually make a point where they have even more holes when you look at RT and ILB with probable health issues.

The motto has conveniently switched to “We’re. gonna run the Fuck out of the Football” and that’s all fine and dandy but it’s still a passing league. It’s still gonna come down to AR12 making plays at the end of the game and it’s still gonna come down to our defense being able to STOP THE RUN. Neither of these I feel all that great about with what Gute has done to address any of this.

So we can lose because teams can run the ball on us, but we can't win by improving the running game because it's a passing league? Got it.

It's not a binary thing. Improving the running game should improve the options in the passing game, and help the defense by keeping them off the field.

[GB-Brandon]

So we can lose because teams can run the ball on us, but we can't win by improving the running game because it's a passing league? Got it.

It's not a binary thing. Improving the running game should improve the options in the passing game, and help the defense by keeping them off the field.

Yeah but these big “Power Run Teams” such as the Niners, Saints, Titans, Ravens or even Buffalo we’re much more effective at also stopping the run where the Packers ranked 26th against run and did zero to improve that. They actually even kept an incompetent defensive coordinator who I have zero faith in.

So yeah it will be effective IMO against the lower to mid-level teams but once again it will fall short against a team that can do both in the playoffs where are mediocre receiving corp then becomes a liability. The Packers simply don’t have a defensive front to grind it out with these teams for four quarters. Gute was too busy chasing unicorns laying turds on the bed.

Same old Fucken Song.

[Massive J]

Rodgers wasted Rodger's career. Simple as that.

[GB-Brandon]

Just put this in perspective for a moment. We were a couple good moves and couple good picks away from really having a legit shot to win a Super Bowl with a generational talent at QB at age 36. What would any other franchise do in that situation?

What would teams that have never won a Super Bowl like Detroit or Minnesota or Cleveland or the Chargers do? The arrogance of this whole thing is rather disgusting and when this flip flops it most likely won’t be pretty. Those teams would of done everything they could do to support the situation to win a Lombardi and strike the iron while it’s hot. I just can’t think of a time where things were more lined up for the Packers to push all in for the final prize!!

What a waste.

[sharpe1027]

Improving the run game improves the offense. It helps the team. Listening to you tie yourself in knots to try to dismiss the effect of improvement of the run game because it doesn't fit your narrative is comical.

Maybe they won't be successful at improving the running game. If they do, however, it will make a difference.

[texaspackerbacker]

The two Brandons have my vote.

[bobblehead]

I see that a little bit differently. Rodgers has better skills than Favre - throwing accuracy, mobility, etc. (although Favre had a lot of those things too). And Rodgers does play it a lot smarter and more careful. Favre had more leadership and flair than Rodgers, and I sure wouldn't call him stupid, just a riverboat gambler mentality.

I'd say those two are the first and either third or fourth best QBs in NFL history.

Favre threw a much better slant and screen pass. He was better over the middle than Rodgers just cuz of raw arm strength. Rodgers is a little faster runner and threw a nicer deep ball (until recently). Athletically I think they were different but equal. Football (and life) IQ is where Rodgers separates.

[bobblehead]

Wilt was kinda lazy, but at his peak he was the most dominant player ever, even over Alicindor/Jabbar. Russell just worked harder and had a better surrounding cast. Wilt may have been simply exhausted from extracurricular activities.

Just skimming back through some of the idiocy in this thread. Rand. You disappoint me. Let me throw something at you. Wilt played 3882 minutes one season. He broke 3600 three times. Jordans best was 3311. Wilt played 80 game seasons for those numbers. So wilt plays 48.52 minutes on average (yes games are 48 minutes in regulation), while Jordan mails in 40.4 minutes...who is the lazy one here? Yes, playing every minute of every game and being over 7' tall, Wilt probably took a play off at times, but lazy? Nah.

[run pMc]

If I told you that your QB threw for over 4400 yards with 25 TD and 2 Int over 16 games, you'd expect a pretty good record, right?
That was Rodgers in the 2018, where they went 6-9-1.
Last year under MLF they improved considerably thanks to coaching, scheme, gameday luck and injury luck, defense, a 3rd place schedule, avoiding Mahomes and Stafford (in week 17), etc. but also because of moves by Gute. Pretty much everything except the passing game, actually. I think that's why we all hoped to see more drastic improvements personnel-wise there, but it sounds like it wasn't in the cards.
I agree the Love pick will define Gute's time as GM, but if they truly felt he was a high ceiling pick and a good fit for the scheme, I'm ok with it. They haven't gotten a lot out of their R1 picks anyway, and Wolf/TT/Schneider have had their share of clunkers in R1. Gute has made mistakes, but that's because he's taken some gambles that I don't think TT would have...Some of those are going to pay, some will flame out. Gotta be able to live with that. Point is, before we complain about Gute shitting the bed, think about what he had to work with and where they are now. He's done a pretty good job and I don't think one pick ruins everything...that's a purely emotional response worthy of a Real Housewives drama queen. This was a team with 2 straight losing seasons (M3's last 2), the talent wasn't great, and they were not SB contenders. I would say last year was due to modest improvements and luck, but credit is still deserved. It's hard to win in the NFL.

If there was a decent WR out there under the age of 30 without baggage, I'm sure Gute would be looking at them (as would every other GM, personnel moves don't happen in a vaccuum). AB is 32 years old, with serious legal and locker room issues. Who wants those kinds of headaches when you have enough personalities (incl. Rodgers) to deal with? Besides, the last WR I can think of they signed that age was Mark freaking Clayton, the last TE was Jimmy Graham. Neither turned out great.

[GB-Brandon]

Improving the run game improves the offense. It helps the team. Listening to you tie yourself in knots to try to dismiss the effect of improvement of the run game because it doesn't fit your narrative is comical.

Maybe they won't be successful at improving the running game. If they do, however, it will make a difference.

Once again I have no problem with “Trying To Improve The Run Game.” My problem is chasing unicorns and burning resources and avoiding glaring weaknesses which in the end is complete RECKLESS BEHAVIOR!!!!

[GB-Brandon]

Improving the run game improves the offense. It helps the team. Listening to you tie yourself in knots to try to dismiss the effect of improvement of the run game because it doesn't fit your narrative is comical.

Maybe they won't be successful at improving the running game. If they do, however, it will make a difference.

Once again I have no problem with “Trying To Improve The Run Game.” My problem is chasing unicorns and burning resources and avoiding glaring weaknesses which in the end is complete RECKLESS BEHAVIOR!!!!