O-line shuffles during week 1

[RashanGary]

Watching Orlando Brown jr on film session. Was mentioning the star OL he studies and he put Bakhtiari in the list of guys he learns from. This isn't a media puke, it's a young up and coming OL who models some of his gsme after a guy he considers to be a stud, bahk.

What say you, tex?

[RashanGary]

Orlando brown was a really cool film session guy. He's 6’8” with a 7’ wing span. He tested poorly at combine, but really, it takes time to really fill in A frame that big.

Anyway, with his uncommon length and size he does things different. He's a waist bender, something guys typically fall on their face doing. But he's so big, he can bend that way and doesbt have to really thrust forward and lose balance. He just bends, making his length even longer and gets his hands on guys and is really good at balance in that position. He says he works all offseason on his balance because it's such a part of his unusual style.

Anyway, it's cool to see unusual body types come up with their own style and game. Does it different, but does it well. Uses his strengths.

[Guiness]

memory lane

I remember that well, it was a dark time. Consecutive first round selections Bulaga and Sherrod were both out and looking like bad choices. Despite ending up on IR two consecutive seasons Bulaga would come around and have a good career; Sherrod, not so much.

[RashanGary]

I love watching the big guys on nfl film session. There's endless details I don't think about, so I learn a lot. But then there are little human elements. As for example.... OL love to run block. When I supervised a big crew, I learned real quick, A. My success depends on my team. Even though I'm country tough and can do the work of two decent people or three mediocre ones, with a team of 20, I need my guys to succeed. And B. The best plan for the day is the plan my guys believe in. You can run the lesser plan and get greater results when the guys are bought in.

Which brings me to lafleur. Subtly, he empowers the whole team by leaning on that run game. Those 5 big guys pass block better when theyre excited to play and feel important. We can say all day, people should be at 100 all the time and do what they're told, but the reality is, a lot of people perform better when they feel engaged, empowered and important. Lafleur brings out the best in all 11 with his ”run the ball” mentality!

That's not an analytics thing. That's a down to earth, people thing

[texaspackerbacker]

Let me put it to you a different way tex. This season I want you to note the time in the game that Bakh failed in his assignment then post it here. I will go back and watch for it. I could go back last year and point out 3 blocks DB made to spring Jones on 25+ yard runs. There were more, but I can recall 3 that I said "wow, Bakh crushed that dude"

I will try to do that Sunday.

I watched every play of every game last year, and I sure don't recall those "3 blocks DB made to spring Jones on 25+ yard runs". Almost all his big runs were through the Center/Guard hole, to my recollection. He couldn't have had too many more than 3 runs of 25+, so it shouldn't be that hard to at least find a play by play saying where the runs were.

For the record, I don't "detest" the guy. I just don't think he is near as good as a lot of ya'all do.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Orlando brown was a really cool film session guy. He's 6’8” with a 7’ wing span. He tested poorly at combine, but really, it takes time to really fill in A frame that big.

That's the guy who got injured by a referee flag hitting him in the eye

[HarveyWallbangers]

Yeah right - because ESPN says so huh? Why does that #2 ranking not show up in performance on the field/successful runs to his side?

You ask for one source to back up his claim. He provides it. You say the source isn't credible. Convenient.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Jones had three plays of 40+ yards last year (BTW, it seemed like more):

Against Minnesota he ran for a late 56 yard TD off left tackle.
Against Washington he ran for a 42 yard run up the middle. However, the line had stunted to the right, so he actually ran behind Bakh's block. Bakh was actually to the right of Jones as he went by.
Against Kansas City he took a screen to the left for a late 67 yard TD. Bakh's assignment was to get out in space and find somebody--which he did.

[RashanGary]

Jones had three plays of 40+ yards last year (BTW, it seemed like more):

Against Minnesota he ran for a late 56 yard TD off left tackle.
Against Washington he ran for a 42 yard run up the middle. However, the line had stunted to the right, so he actually ran behind Bakh's block. Bakh was actually to the right of Jones as he went by.
Against Kansas City he took a screen to the left for a late 67 yard TD. Bakh's assignment was to get out in space and find somebody--which he did.

That doesn't count cuz tex doesn't remember it

[Sparkey]

So, guessing the line is Bahk, Jenkins, Linsley, Patrick, Turner ?

[RashanGary]

So, guessing the line is Bahk, Jenkins, Linsley, Patrick, Turner ?

I think I'd Roll a six sided dice from what I know of the situation is that there is too much unknown

How healthy is Turner?
How healthy is Patrick?
How much do the Packers see Jenkins as the RT of the future?
How good do they even feel about Turner at RT?
How scared are they to play the rookie if they have an option not to?

Bakh/Jenkins/Lindsley/Patrick/Wagner
Bakh/Jenkins/Lindsley/Turner/Wagner
Bakh/Patrick/Lindsley/Turner/Jenkins
Bakh/Patrick/Lindsley/Runyan/Jenkins
Bakh/Jenkins/Lindsley/Runyan/Wagner
Bakh/Runyan/Lindley/Turner/Jenkins

I have no clue!

[texaspackerbacker]

After re-watching the game (see my post in the Revenge Tour thread), I absolutely don't want Jenkins moved away from LG. Wagner did well at RT too, and should stay there. Any of the three - Turner, Patrick, or Runyon at RG should be ok also.

[Sparkey]

Bahk,Jenkins,Kinsley center/left.

If Runyan starts at rg, then start Wagner next too him. That experience matters with a rookie to his left.

[RashanGary]

Bahk,Jenkins,Kinsley center/left.

If Runyan starts at rg, then start Wagner next too him. That experience matters with a rookie to his left.

The packers might want to make Jenkins the RT of the future. Slightly harder spot to fill and if they think he’s legit there, why not?

[bobblehead]

I will try to do that Sunday.

I watched every play of every game last year, and I sure don't recall those "3 blocks DB made to spring Jones on 25+ yard runs". Almost all his big runs were through the Center/Guard hole, to my recollection. He couldn't have had too many more than 3 runs of 25+, so it shouldn't be that hard to at least find a play by play saying where the runs were.

For the record, I don't "detest" the guy. I just don't think he is near as good as a lot of ya'all do.

I went and watched all his TD runs. 3 I can say Bakh threw a great block and was a big part of the reason he sprung. He had a couple other nice blocks on long runs that weren't TDs, but as I said last year, Jones is a better inside ZBS runner than outside and you are correct that many of his good runs went up the gut. I gained even more respect for Jenkins in watching them though. We have the RT for the next decade on the roster kids. We won't even remember Bill Bulaga's name by seasons end.