Reischel - Yesterday showed why Love was drafted

[texaspackerbacker]

Jordy Nelson davante, rodgers and TJ Lang are interesting draft picks.

Jordy was behind jennings and driver during the 2008, 2009 and 2010 seasons but I think we can agree that, that was a good long term pick for the Packers.

Lang was behind colledge and Sitton his rookie year and his second year in the league. But then he was a long term, pro bowl level guard for the several years following.

Rodgers was a backup QB for three years, but I think most of us feel good about that first round draft pick.

Adams was behind Nelson and Cobb his first year. Nelson was lost for the season in Adams 2nd season and he couldn't capitalize partly due to that ankle, but broke out in his third year.

The way NFL players tend to be so/so or even poor as rookies and second year players, but often times reach their full potential in year's 3, 4 and 5...... And those players also tend to get favorable second contracts that average in the last year of their rookie deals. When you draft well, you end up with well priced veteran starters in the long run.

Sometimes, a lot of times, you don't really know what you have in a player for a few years. Montravious Adams is sort of an odd ball this year. He's starting to play well, sort of shockingly well considering I've all but given up on him. He might end up being a staple next to Clark for the next 4 or 5 years and a great draft pick.

Team and player development is a hard concept to grasp because the emotions of the ”right now” nature of football games and football seasons can overwhelm and stifle the ability to see how superbowls are won over the course of several years of good decision making and development.

Gute, Love, Alexander, Gary, Savage, Lizard, etc.... There is a football season every year and a champion every year and pro bowlers every year. We've yet to see the full playout of the compilation of decisions made or development that's happening that we might not be able to see yet.

We all have our suspicions, but most of Packer nation was devastated by the loss of Favre and it worked out. We’ll see it Gute wins a championship. I.hope he does but today isn't the day to crown or fire anyone. It's time to see how it plays

Good picks are the ones we get lucky on. Bad picks are the ones we don't get lucky on and end up playing like crap.

[RashanGary]

Good picks are the ones we get lucky on. Bad picks are the ones we don't get lucky on and end up playing like crap.

In some ways, yeah, definitely. The sacred cow was a 4h round pick, who out performed the first round pick of a few years earlier, Sherrod. If they were so smart and luck wasn’t at least half of it, there would be a lot more consistency than there is in draft production.

League wide, 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks tend to have a better chance. Loading up on 2nds and 3rds is a strategy New England employs, taking advantage of the spots in the draft that are a little less luck dependent.

[texaspackerbacker]

Yeah, if Bakhtiari is half as good as most in here think, that's a golden example of getting lucky. And Sherrod, damn, what he might have been if not for the luck of getting hurt.

[th87]

And that’s great and fine. I’m getting ready to slow it down myself for reasons I’ve posted. However; there are much more worse things people can get consumed with and “ARE” then the Green Bay Packers. I could list them but that would take too long.

A few months after Seattle was when I decided to pull back. Waking up sad over a football game didn't make any sense.

It was difficult to actually do it. But it eventually worked, and I don't get as upset after losses.

I've now fully accepted losing in the playoffs to a physical team while Pettine is around. To make Mostert look like Jim Brown is a rare feat.

[GB-Brandon]

A few months after Seattle was when I decided to pull back. Waking up sad over a football game didn't make any sense.

It was difficult to actually do it. But it eventually worked, and I don't get as upset after losses.

I've now fully accepted losing in the playoffs to a physical team while Pettine is around. To make Mostert look like Jim Brown is a rare feat.

Ah yes, Seattle!!! The game I lost a Job, a GF, and had to leave the city!!! Looking back I probably should of drawn the line at that disaster and choke show as well. Hats off to you!!

The fact that this organization has such open wounds of being so close makes it that much more pathetic that they refuse to make the extra effort to secure a Championship NOW. Yet RG says I need to feel compassion for some entitled 5th round pick that can’t play football and how the locker room might revolt if we replace him!!! I can’t believe this shit!!

I am slowly separating. Like this Houston win didn’t do anything for me. Until this team beats a really good team it’s just a little dog and pony show as far as I’m concerned.

[RashanGary]

A few months after Seattle was when I decided to pull back. Waking up sad over a football game didn't make any sense.

It was difficult to actually do it. But it eventually worked, and I don't get as upset after losses.

I've now fully accepted losing in the playoffs to a physical team while Pettine is around. To make Mostert look like Jim Brown is a rare feat.

Welcome back. I used to see you at ff but the tyrannical moderation over there is too much

[th87]

Ah yes, Seattle!!! The game I lost a Job, a GF, and had to leave the city!!! Looking back I probably should of drawn the line at that disaster and choke show as well. Hats off to you!!

The fact that this organization has such open wounds of being so close makes it that much more pathetic that they refuse to make the extra effort to secure a Championship NOW. Yet RG says I need to feel compassion for some entitled 5th round pick that can’t play football and how the locker room might revolt if we replace him!!! I can’t believe this shit!!

I am slowly separating. Like this Houston win didn’t do anything for me. Until this team beats a really good team it’s just a little dog and pony show as far as I’m concerned.

As I'd gotten older, I saw that "who you know" factors into hiring much more than I ever believed, in all fields. Competence is secondary.

The Packers board and Murphy want to field a successful enough team, run by people they like, but aren't willing to be ruthless to win. That's how MM, TT, Capers, and Pettine have stuck around so long riding Rodgers coattails.

These guys aren't *that* smart. They're former meatheads who knew the right people, worked hard (their most impressive trait), and moved up. Not geniuses, and not much more adept than an average fan if they took the same route. There are revolutionary exceptions like Bill Walsh, for example, but most are not.

So...Pettine is just an average dude who will be utterly destroyed by any slightly smart offensive coach. I'm fully resigned to this. Our only chance is to get lucky in our playoff matchups.

That makes it a little easier, but still disappointing to see such potential squandered because not enough was done.

[th87]

Welcome back. I used to see you at ff but the tyrannical moderation over there is too much

Thanks man. FF is a homer cult...no dissent is ever allowed, even though the legitimate and nuanced critics of TT, MM, and Capers were proven correct.

[GB-Brandon]

As I'd gotten older, I saw that "who you know" factors into hiring much more than I ever believed, in all fields. Competence is secondary.

The Packers board and Murphy want to field a successful enough team, run by people they like, but aren't willing to be ruthless to win. That's how MM, TT, Capers, and Pettine have stuck around so long riding Rodgers coattails.

These guys aren't *that* smart. They're former meatheads who knew the right people, worked hard (their most impressive trait), and moved up. Not geniuses, and not much more adept than an average fan if they took the same route. There are revolutionary exceptions like Bill Walsh, for example, but most are not.

So...Pettine is just an average dude who will be utterly destroyed by any slightly smart offensive coach. I'm fully resigned to this. Our only chance is to get lucky in our playoff matchups.

That makes it a little easier, but still disappointing to see such potential squandered because not enough was done.

So So True. I like to call it “The Good Old Boy Club.”

And yeah it really is “Let’s Get Lucky” with these guys. That’s why I’ve had to manage expectations. They have proven they can’t be taken seriously.

I used to get all mad and call it media bias but I have learned the hard way it is well deserved!!

[RashanGary]

Thanks man. FF is a homer cult...no dissent is ever allowed, even though the legitimate and nuanced critics of TT, MM, and Capers were proven correct.

I lean on the homer side of things. But, I like to hear people’s views, regardless of whether I agree. Nobody is really banned or punished for being anti-packer administration here. It’s probably 40% of the group, compared to most places where it is squashed out.

[RashanGary]

Im a pretty big fan of the good ol boy club mentality. Banding and teaming up and sticking together, all those things feel good to me.

The league changes quite a bit year after year with officiating changes. Years ago they’d call penalties on the offensive rub routes, they called it OPI. Recently they’ve let just about all of it go. So man defense is a little tougher. And zone is becoming more effective a lot of times.

There are some disadvantages of sticking with the dinosaurs in that many of them don’t really adapt as quickly to the changes. You can’t run the same defenses if the officiating has changed and taken away the advantages of the old defense.

So there is a blend of youth, open mindedness, adaptability and conventional wisdom that all comes into play. At the end of the day, it’s a physical sport. Throwing a ball on point, making an open field tackle, tipping a football and preventing a pass. So much of it isn’t rocket science, but rather focus and a feel for spatial and physical things. So the dinosaurs do bring a lot to the table with keeping it simple and letting guys play ball vs making it too much of a chess match. Chess is sitting at a table with no physical edge unless you’re incapable of moving a piece. Football is very different from chess and needs some of that old fashioned common sense