Reischel - Yesterday showed why Love was drafted

[Patler]

All the Rodgers apologists are going to be up in arms over this article by Rob Reischel:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robreis.../#2ccd836b232f

One of his more biting statements:

Over the past decade, Rodgers has played in as many marquee games as almost any player in football. Far too often, though, Green Bay’s quarterback has shrunk like a frightened turtle.

[texaspackerbacker]

This God damned piece of shit is even worse than most of those God damned media pukes. Fuck him and anybody believing he has a shred of credibility!

[call_me_ishmael]

Advertisement driven business + 3 ads filling my screen = yawn. I think the arguments could be made that he stunk it up in the 2011 playoffs (The Giants did after all win the whole damn thing so they were pretty good too) and in the Seattle game in 2014-2015. That was the Packers team that should have won the Super Bowl. I think just about every other time the Packers have lost in the playoffs they've been the less talented team.

The thing I don't like lately is how they get a big lead and let teams back in. That is a somewhat common theme the past couple years. Minnesota and Dallas games come to mind.

Maybe I'm just an apologist, I dunno, the facts are what they are but I partially believe the Packers had the sustained success above the median because of Rodger's greatness.

[GB-Brandon]

They fail to mention that he still has the second highest rated PFF score at “92.6” in the entire league through the season.

Click bait bullshit!!

[GB-Brandon]

Jordan Love has to make the active roster before we can even have a Fucken conversation anyways!!! LOL.

[Patler]

Problem, of course, is that Reischel's recount of Rodgers' performances in the specific games he mentioned is not wrong; and it is consistent with the persistent story that has been around for years that, more than many other really good QBs, Rodgers doesn't handle pressure well.

[Patler]

Jordan Love has to make the active roster before we can even have a Fucken conversation anyways!!! LOL.

I don't think Reischel is arguing that Love will be the answer, just that Gutekunst has determined he needs to start looking, and make the change as soon as it works out.

[texaspackerbacker]

Patler, you're almost as full of shit as this scumbag media puke. Nobody in the NFL has a record of consistency and excellence under pressure like Aaron Rodgers. Last Sunday's game was his fault more than anybody else's for allowing momentum to turn around. However, even in that game, there is plenty of blame to go around. Rodgers' biggest shortcoming was that unlike just about every other game in history, he was not able to compensate for various weaknesses we had elsewhere.

[Spaulding]

Patler, you're almost as full of shit as this scumbag media puke. Nobody in the NFL has a record of consistency and excellence under pressure like Aaron Rodgers. Last Sunday's game was his fault more than anybody else's for allowing momentum to turn around. However, even in that game, there is plenty of blame to go around. Rodgers' biggest shortcoming was that unlike just about every other game in history, he was not able to compensate for various weaknesses we had elsewhere.

I don't think Patler (correct me if I'm wrong here) is suggesting he agrees with the article only referencing the existence of it. It is of note though to wonder if there is really a growing number of media members that question Rodgers isn't in as great as some fans tend to think.

Whether that is the correct is obviously the point of debate and certainly open to opinion. The article could very well be click bait or something Skip Bayless would say and personally I don't agree with the implication but it does raise some a few points that might be worth a little deeper review.

[Zool]

I've said quite a few times that he struggles when adversity hits. Instead of getting better, he gets worse. Sunday he threw a pick 6 on a really shitty read, then an INT 3 passes later. He completely crumbled. On Sunday after the pick 6 I asked my wife if we will now get pissed off Rodgers or pouty Rodgers. We all saw the answer.

It's the one knock I've had against the guy.

[Zool]

I don't think Patler (correct me if I'm wrong here) is suggesting he agrees with the article only referencing the existence of it. It is of note though to wonder if there is really a growing number of media members that question Rodgers isn't in as great as some fans tend to think.

Whether that is the correct is obviously the point of debate and certainly open to opinion. The article could very well be click bait or something Skip Bayless would say and personally I don't agree with the implication but it does raise some a few points that might be worth a little deeper review.

You'll have to forgive Tex. He's apparently had a ton of head injuries in his long....long....long life.

[George Cumby]

You'll have to forgive Tex. He's apparently had a ton of head injuries in his long....long....long life.

Or he's a reactionary asshole.

[Zool]

Or he's a reactionary asshole.

Potato potahto

[run pMc]

I don't think Rodgers is a frightened turtle in marquee games. It's a storyteller making a narrative for clicks. Is he wrong? I think he's come up short in games at times, but he's also played well too.

So the TB-GB is a marquee game, but NO-GB with Rodgers-Brees isn't?

Some of the games listed weren't his fault, and they were underdogs going in. The ARI game with Abbrederis and Janis as your WRs. The ATL game where they have LaDarius Gunter and ??? at corner. The SEA-Bostick debacle. I'm not sure those are all on Rodgers. It's a team game. Every NFCCG he's been in has been a road game... winning a road playoff game is hard.

I don't blame Gute for looking at a Rodgers successor. Having the likes of Harrell, Hundley, Kizer... even Seneca Wallace didn't exactly pan out. He's getting older; those hits and sacks hurt more. Makes sense to develop a backup and spot starter in the short term (Boyle if not Love) AND look at a potential long term starter or trade piece. Better to have a decent QB ready to go than have to shop for one out of necessity.

I more or less disagree with the article, but it's an interesting premise. There may be some nuggets of truth there... but no, one bad game so far (when he was in MVP consideration) does not justify the talk IMO.

[Patler]

I don't think Patler (correct me if I'm wrong here) is suggesting he agrees with the article only referencing the existence of it. It is of note though to wonder if there is really a growing number of media members that question Rodgers isn't in as great as some fans tend to think.

Whether that is the correct is obviously the point of debate and certainly open to opinion. The article could very well be click bait or something Skip Bayless would say and personally I don't agree with the implication but it does raise some a few points that might be worth a little deeper review.

100% correct. I thought this could be an interesting discussion, even if a few would overreact in the way we have already seen.

Recently, I posted in another thread that, in my opinion, in too many big games Rodgers had not stepped up in the way a GOAT should have. I certainly would not be as insulting as Reischel is, but the facts he presents support my earlier post. This doesn't make Rodgers a bad guy or a bad QB, but it does point to the critical need to keep the O-line strong. To be effective, Rodgers has to be comfortable, playing "his game". When he is not, too often we see performances like Sunday.

I hoped for a WR in the draft this year just because there seemed to be so many good ones available, but what I really wanted was an OT. I am more concerned about Gutekunst shorting OL than WR in his drafts. If the OL lets Rodgers play his game, you can make do with OK receivers. If the OL fails, all pro WRs won't matter much. After all, 22% of your starters are O-lineman. One pick in the first four rounds in three years does not bode well for the future.

I do not agree with Reischel's conclusion that Love was drafted because of Rodgers' performances in big games. Love was drafted because Rodgers career will soon come to an end, Father Time guarantees that, and drafting where the Packers do year after year makes it extremely difficult to find a successor in the draft. If Gutekunst evaluated Love as a potential long term starter who could be had for a reasonable trade up cost, he had to make the move to get Love for the same reasons Thompson had to draft Rodgers. The Packers don't get these opportunities often.