What are "Packer People"

[Patler]

I've read a number of references to this term from articles last spring, and I think posters on here have a misunderstanding of how it was used.

The Packers have not used it with reference to moral character of the players. It was used to reference players that wanted to be Packers, and players that are consumed by football.

Even Koran Robinson might meet that standard. Certainly Ahman Green does, even with his problems. Cory Rodgers may have too, handgun and all.

[Badgepack]

I think that "Packer People" also means being upstanding citizens

[Patler]

I think that "Packer People" also means being upstanding citizens

That's what you WANT it to mean, but its not how the Packers used it. They used it only as I referenced above, unless I missed something somewhere.

[Rastak]

I think that "Packer People" also means being upstanding citizens

That's what you WANT it to mean, but its not how the Packers used it. They used it only as I referenced above, unless I missed something somewhere.

Patler, given their most recent signing you MUST be correct in that interpitation.

[jack's smirking revenge]

They are not of the Neaderthal branch of evolution. Nor are they simply Homo Sapien. They are a different breed, born of cheese, gold and fire. Some suggest they are from another planet, probably creatures that architected and manufactured the pyramids. I tend to think the "Packer People" are a extremely advanced and evolved branch of humankind that have the ability to drink tankards of beer, eat lots of fattening brats and weather decades of humiliation. Some would suggest that they are an alien race. Some call them "homers".

But I call them "my people", united by a common love of the greatest American football team on the planet.

tyler

(What are they? Like one definition will work....)

[jack's smirking revenge]

Oh, you're specifically talking about players. Again, like one definition works... I think you have to pick the players that will offer you the best chance of success. I personally don't believe in the "Packer People" label when it comes to players. Players are players. Some will have high morals like Reggie White; some will be brash and flash like Andre Rison. I personally wasn't on the same page with Reggie and his preaching, but I loved the way he played.

tyler

[Fritz]

I thought it was used in reference to the meat-packing profession. Packer people were, well, people who packed. Meat, that is.

Uh oh. This is getting troublesome.

[Patler]

Patler, given their most recent signing you MUST be correct in that interpitation.

Rastak;

I know you are really down on this action by GB, but I have to ask a few questions. If I'm not mistaken, you spoke very highly of Robinson last year and of the Vikings decision to sign him to a lucrative extension last Spring, in spite of his history in Seattle. The Packers are not in any different situation than the Vikings were last year when they originally signed him, except that he relapsed again.

Why is it any more wrong for GB to give him another chance than it was for the Vikings at the start of 2005? Is it REALLY any different?

Are you perhaps just bitter because now he crapped on your picnic table?

What makes the chance with the Vikings the last chance he should get? Why shouldn't his last chance have been with Seattle, or why shouldn't it be with GB?

I guess I'm just confused by your seeming support last year (if I remember correctly) and your vehement contempt now.

[NewsBruin]

When I heard it (around just before the beginning of the 06 draft), I thought it meant:

"People who really like playing football, who don't need someone else to hype them up in the preseason, opening game, late stretch, or postseason. People who devote themselves to being their best as football players. People who believe in themselves and their teammates, who have their home lives and self-esteem already established and wouldn't cause team embarrassment in public. Peope who will rub off on the negative teammates, instead of the other way around."

I rembember the Rison signing, and it worked, because we had a lockerroom that was unified, positive, and had key leaders on both sides of the ball. We had among our "name" superstars, a young, funloving, offensive leader, and an older, respected defensive statesmen. We could take in a risk (and I was very concerned), because we would change him by being good company.

I just think this is too soon to take in players with personal demons. I don't see the lockerroom leaders right now, but I do see folks who could become them, if we groom them to be such and keep them in an environment that believes in excellence and optimism.

I don't know what did it, and I don't know if it came all the way from the Rhodes era, but at some point, we lost our lockerroom unity and leadership. I think that's what pushed me that Sherman wasn't getting the job done. Not the W-L record, but that our defense and offense were often at odds with each other, and our defensive veterans were not motivated to give it their all.

I'd like to see the leadership help establish Favre and Henderson play the Reggie White/Sean Jones role, while Hawk and Hodge would be this decade's Brett Favre.

[Rastak]

Patler, given their most recent signing you MUST be correct in that interpitation.

Rastak;

I know you are really down on this action by GB, but I have to ask a few questions. If I'm not mistaken, you spoke very highly of Robinson last year and of the Vikings decision to sign him to a lucrative extension last Spring, in spite of his history in Seattle. The Packers are not in any different situation than the Vikings were last year when they originally signed him, except that he relapsed again.

Why is it any more wrong for GB to give him another chance than it was for the Vikings at the start of 2005? Is it REALLY any different?

Are you perhaps just bitter because now he crapped on your picnic table?

What makes the chance with the Vikings the last chance he should get? Why shouldn't his last chance have been with Seattle, or why shouldn't it be with GB?

I guess I'm just confused by your seeming support last year (if I remember correctly) and your vehement contempt now.

Ok, here's my take, this subject has been beaten to death so I'll try and make it my last comment. Koren was given a second chance in Minnesota. He recieved a million dollar roster bonus and the FIRST NIGHT AWAY FROM CAMP, he gets legally drunk, drives 104 mph, then accelerates to 120 as he flees police on a public highway. Given his history that was appauling.


The fact anyone would sign him before his legal situation is resolved absolutely blows my mind. Once he got out of jail and served his one year suspension (which I just can't see him avoiding) and he got cleaned up I'd be ok with someone giving him a chance. I'm surprised he and his agent were even willing to sign at this time. Anyway, if you guys are comfortable with him, that's fine. I'd much rather he embarrass your favorite team than mine with his outrageous behavior.

Do you understand where I'm coming from here?

[mngolf19]

And to add to Rastak's take. This is his 3rd chance, not second. And I constantly hear about what a bad org the Vikings are, and how good the Packers are. Well, I think this is either incorrect or changing.

[Patler]

Do you understand where I'm coming from here?

Not entirely, because as I recall he had some pending legal matters when the Vikings first signed him in the summer of 2005. Seattle had given him numerous chances as well. MN was not a "second chance", just new scenery and different bars, apparently.

It seems your abrupt change is based a lot on disappoinment, and that's understandable. It happens in the families of addicts, too. Sometimes they respond more harshly to their own than to outsiders.

[Rastak]

Do you understand where I'm coming from here?

Not entirely, because as I recall he had some pending legal matters when the Vikings first signed him in the summer of 2005. Seattle had given him numerous chances as well. MN was not a "second chance", just new scenery and different bars, apparently.

It seems your abrupt change is based a lot on disappoinment, and that's understandable. It happens in the families of addicts, too. Sometimes they respond more harshly to their own than to outsiders.

I think his legal troubles were resolved at the time he was signed....but Tice did call him while he was in treatment which is pretty stupid also.

And yea, it's disappointing, I was rooting for the guy. Given his outrageous behavior isn't an "abrupt change" warrented?

[RashanGary]

I like the signing. We've got him for minimum wage and he has probowl talent on ST's along with being a good #3 WC reciever.

As far as morals go, I'm not too worried. If he does somethign stupid, we cut him and lose nothing. I see no problem with it at all. It could be a PR problem some day but people will love the Packers even if KR gets another DUI. I see no risk from the Packers perspective.

[Patler]

And yea, it's disappointing, I was rooting for the guy. Given his outrageous behavior isn't an "abrupt change" warrented?

I'm not sure an abrupt change in your attitude is warranted, because his behavior wasn't an abrupt change, just more of the same. He had traffic violations in Seattle for speeds in excess of 100 mph too. He had well documented drinking problems. It's really no different. It just hasn't stopped.

I hate giving up on people. Many substance abusers have one or more relapses before they beat their addictions. I really do detest what he did, though. I have friends and relatives all over that area, who may have been on the road when he was. Not that they are more important than any other person, but they are more important to me.

I really wish we could develope the anti-alcoholism "majic bullet". It is a pervasive condition in many places.