What are "Packer People"

[woodbuck27]

Patler:

As a Green Bay Packer fan, I exist in a confusing time in Green Bay Packer History.

Alot of what I endure today as a Packer fan, definitely rubs me "the wrong way".

OUR TEAM is in a REAL mess.

Nah. You were around for the Forrest Gregg years. THAT was a real mess. The Packers of 2006 aren't there yet, and hopefully won't be.

Man your cruel.

[packinpatland]

Easy to say bad things after the man is gone. I was never too impressed with anything I've read coming from Lombardi's son.

Overall, Lombardi did insist on a level of decency and moral integrity on his team.

[woodbuck27]

Go on and tell them ,... no, no, no, hush, ... Go on tell them, they asked, ... No, no, shhhh, Go on thell them they deserve it, ... no, no, shut up, ... TELL THEM ! , ... I can't, they will bann me...


GO BEARS !

Careful BEARMAN !!

We've got Dyn O Mite

GO PACK GOooo . . .

[Rastak]

Easy to say bad things after the man is gone. I was never too impressed with anything I've read coming from Lombardi's son.

Overall, Lombardi did insist on a level of decency and moral integrity on his team.

Sure, I would agree, but wouldn't he have a better idea of the man than anyone else other than perhaps his wife?

[woodbuck27]

Only if you keep in mind that Lombardi, though he was a great coach and GM, was no angel.

Didn't his son basically say he completely ignored his family?

1) If I just commited an extreme act of blasphamy I retract it.
2) If I'm wrong I retract it.


But I do recall hearing an interview with his son where he sort of ripped him....not real bad but enough....oh hell we all have faults so let's give the dead guy a pass. Dead legend I mean.

Rastak. . . just retract it. . .fast X 10.

It's certainly... TIME to laugh !!

[MJZiggy]

Problem is, Wood, he's not wrong. I read his biography, When Pride Still Mattered last spring (which by the way is a MUST read) and he was not a great family man. Used to berate his wife in front of the team as well and after games would invite the players back to his house to party and drink in his basement bar. He also treated the children of his players better than his own kids.

[Rastak]

Problem is, Wood, he's not wrong. I read his biography, When Pride Still Mattered last spring (which by the way is a MUST read) and he was not a great family man. Used to berate his wife in front of the team as well and after games would invite the players back to his house to party and drink in his basement bar. He also treated the children of his players better than his own kids.

I should read that....when I was a little kid everyone thought he was the shitz...one thing there isn't a question about, that dude could coach.

[woodbuck27]

Problem is, Wood, he's not wrong. I read his biography, When Pride Still Mattered last spring (which by the way is a MUST read) and he was not a great family man. Used to berate his wife in front of the team as well and after games would invite the players back to his house to party and drink in his basement bar. He also treated the children of his players better than his own kids.

I've been a Packer fan longer than you've breathed MJ.

Did I say Rastak was wrong? Nope !!! Didn't say (write that). Certainly didn't.

AGAIN MJ ... READ PLEASE.

Vince wasn't Billy Graham. .for sure MJ. He wasn't JFK either.



I followed his entire career with the Packers and read all I could on " this Legendary Packer - LEADER".

[falco]

Problem is, Wood, he's not wrong. I read his biography, When Pride Still Mattered last spring (which by the way is a MUST read) and he was not a great family man. Used to berate his wife in front of the team as well and after games would invite the players back to his house to party and drink in his basement bar. He also treated the children of his players better than his own kids.

I should read that....when I was a little kid everyone thought he was the shitz...one thing there isn't a question about, that dude could coach.

When I was taking the capstone course of business degree, the chair of the dept brought in a former student and now bigtime CEO to speak for the class. He spent most of his time explaining how Lombardi's book was the basis for his management style.

[Kiwon]

"Packer People" is a term that TT and MM used a number of times early this year, when MM was hired and around draft time. Just for the heck of it, I went back and re-read the quotes from them when they used the term, to see what they meant by "Packer People".

Patler, I questioned the use of this phrase earlier because it is so nebulous. If there is an official Packer lexicon then I wish they would post it on their website. I really don't care that much but I'm not a big fan of throw away phrases. It's better to just go ahead and clearly state what exactly you mean.

More than this, my beef with TT and MM is the issue of "rebuilding." They said they weren't in January, but how can one explain the approach during free agency and roster management? A case can be made that they aren't (veteran free agent signees) but the weight of evidence states otherwise.

[Guiness]

Something (new? I haven't seen it metioned yet) in the Krob discussion occured to me.

It seems your abrupt change is based a lot on disappoinment, and that's understandable. It happens in the families of addicts, too. Sometimes they respond more harshly to their own than to outsiders.

Patler, I think you may have hit upon something here, and it may explain Rastak's strong feelings, and the willingness of some people here to accept KRob.

A Viking fan would feel betrayed by Koren. He was in a bad place, they offered him another chance. He then turned around and bit them - the knee jerk reaction is 'get out of here you mangy, unappreciative mutt'.

From our perspective, we're taking in an individual who needs help. He hasn't done anything to us, so why should we judge him?

Here's a question Patler: do you think the Vikings were justified in realeasing Koren? Do you think they should've?

[HarveyWallbangers]

This dirt on Lombardi is stupid. I'd bet 1/2 the coaches in the history of the game would say they weren't great family man. What kind of family man can you be when you are in the office for 16 hours/day for 6 months out of the year.

[MJZiggy]

I'm not saying that Lombardi wasn't a great coach and GM, etc. I'm just saying that to hold him up in this particular conversation as someone who only allowed "decent" people on his team is a bit problematic. Didn't McGee play in the title game after going out all night on a true bender? He wasn't suspended and like I said, after games, Lombardi himself hosted the parties. I doubt he collected keys at the door. Here's the interesting question. Might Lombardi, with the team in it's present state have brought KR in himself? Just a thought

Also, on a side note I wonder if anyone else noticed that on the very day JSO posts an article lambasting Thompson for bringing in an alcoholic, they debuted on the football page a photo of a man drinking a beer soliciting the best tailgating parties? Does anyone find this excruciatingly hypocritical?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Also, on a side note I wonder if anyone else noticed that on the very day JSO posts an article lambasting Thompson for bringing in an alcoholic, they debuted on the football page a photo of a man drinking a beer soliciting the best tailgating parties? Does anyone find this excruciatingly hypocritical?

Not really. Alcohol in and of itself isn't the issue here. The abuse of it is. Quite honestly, I'm surprised that you'd be all for this Ziggy. I don't know if it's because you are Miss Positivity or what, but where would you draw the line? There has to be some line. If Rae Carruth was let out of prison tomorrow, I'd bet most people here wouldn't want him on the team. Or some convicted rapist or whatever. I guess each individual has a line, but it differs for every individual. I'm willing to give a guy three strikes. This last incident for KoRo was strike three.

[Patler]

Here's a question Patler: do you think the Vikings were justified in realeasing Koren? Do you think they should've?

I don't think the Vikings had any choice except to release him. After all the separate incidents that have dogged them the past few years, they had no choice but to take a firm stand. A team can stand only so much of that junk, as the Packers know from their own situations in the past.