More Banjo - Packers vs Titans

[GB-Brandon]

If it’s a true “Draft and Development Operation” then you have to keep the cogs turning and have rookie deals and guys on four year contracts to make it work. To not draft a receiver would literally be running the tires down to the steal with how the Packers are set up currently at the receiver position. I would expect the Packers to probably draft two receivers. One early and one late at the least. It’s beyond time.

[RashanGary]

Lazard and EQ are tough to peg just yet. Maybe theyre maxed out as young players or maybe there's a whole lot more. MVS is one of the top producing deep threats over the last 3 years and a good blocker. So he's useful in some situations as well.

However, the stars are aligning for a 2nd or 3rd round receiver next year. I'd be surprised if we didn't take one.

[RashanGary]

Last three years over 40 yard catches

Tyreek Hill 19
Stefon Diggs 15
MVS 14

MVS is the best blocker of the three. However, obviously, not nearly as complete of a route runner and a much worse WR. The point isn't that MVS is great, but that he does stretch the field and opens up other guys by drawing deep attention and opens up the run game as a blocker. So there are times where he comes in handy and is nice to have as a 4th option after Adams, Bob and Lizard.

[RashanGary]

I think some of 12s success this year is because he knows there has to be safety help over 83 and it opens up the field for 12 to operate.

[run pMc]

I agree with GB-Brandon on both Felton as a Ervin replacement type of player, and also that Gute needs to draft and develop some more WRs. Adams contract ends next year and so do the rest of the WRs. Lazard and MVS are nice role players to have but they haven't done much to show they are WR1 types or dominant playmakers. You can expect to get 5-6 catches between them per game if you're lucky. Longer term, they need more than that.

It will take time to develop a draft pick into a WR1 or WR2, so they better start soon. That Gute was kicking the tires on players like Emmanuel Sanders and Will Fuller (and how many WRs he's signed/cycled thru the PS) tells you he knows they need better WR talent; he's still looking and I think this offseason he addresses it.

Picture it this way: imagine the Vikings offense this year with and without Justin Jefferson. Adding him with Thielen and Cook makes them much tougher to defend. Now imagine Adams with an above-average WR2 with Dillon, Jones, Tonyan... with Lazard picking up 3rd downs and MVS throwing blocks and running deep routes. That player takes the offense to a higher level.

[run pMc]

I'm not arguing that Lazard or MVS are bad players. They have earned their roster spots. I am arguing that they are often asked to overachieve based on their abilities, and would be better suited as WR3 or WR4 types playing the roles they can consistently excel in.

When Adams has missed games, they won most of the games by using the RBs and TEs in the passing game more. (There are stats to prove this if you Google) The other WRs basically did what they otherwise would have had Adams been in the game; it was the RBs and TEs who picked up the slack. Having a running mate to go with Adams who is capable of carrying the passing game would open up the offense and make it more effective.

As for Funchess, it's anyone's guess what he will bring but I'm not holding my breath. He was considered by some to be a better Lazard, although I think Lazard's hands more reliable and his effort in the run game is superior. Maybe they release him for cap room, but I think they bring him in to see what he's got after being off for essentially two years before they make a decision.

[GB-Brandon]

I agree with GB-Brandon on both Felton as a Ervin replacement type of player, and also that Gute needs to draft and develop some more WRs. Adams contract ends next year and so do the rest of the WRs. Lazard and MVS are nice role players to have but they haven't done much to show they are WR1 types or dominant playmakers. You can expect to get 5-6 catches between them per game if you're lucky. Longer term, they need more than that.

It will take time to develop a draft pick into a WR1 or WR2, so they better start soon. That Gute was kicking the tires on players like Emmanuel Sanders and Will Fuller (and how many WRs he's signed/cycled thru the PS) tells you he knows they need better WR talent; he's still looking and I think this offseason he addresses it.

Picture it this way: imagine the Vikings offense this year with and without Justin Jefferson. Adding him with Thielen and Cook makes them much tougher to defend. Now imagine Adams with an above-average WR2 with Dillon, Jones, Tonyan... with Lazard picking up 3rd downs and MVS throwing blocks and running deep routes. That player takes the offense to a higher level.

Yeah, it’s simple math to add a receiver(weapon) to this offense. Especially with the loss of Jones. I’ve come to terms that Gute wanted too and he got beat to the punch by the Queens and Niners taking Jefferson and Aiyuk. I believe when the Niners moved up to get Aiyuk that Gute switched gears as the step down in talent was obvious at the position. I was never that hot on Mimms myself so I can see why Gute didn’t want to just force the pick there. I still don’t like the JL pick but I guess everyone has to wait on that.

Last year where it “Would of been nice to get a receiver” has now become “We need to make it a priority” so I believe he will go at with the same force that he went after let’s say when made the move up on Darnel Savage etc etc if he see’s the player he wants at the WR position. He has clearly shown he is not afraid to go after a player if he likes that player.

[Bretsky]

Yeah, it’s simple math to add a receiver(weapon) to this offense. Especially with the loss of Jones. I’ve come to terms that Gute wanted too and he got beat to the punch by the Queens and Niners taking Jefferson and Aiyuk. I believe when the Niners moved up to get Aiyuk that Gute switched gears as the step down in talent was obvious at the position. I was never that hot on Mimms myself so I can see why Gute didn’t want to just force the pick there. I still don’t like the JL pick but I guess everyone has to wait on that.

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You are really sounding like a pussbag lately ))) Be pissed like me; Gutebag had no business moving up unless he got his guy. We don't even know it was Aiyuk. Maybe he wanted the love machine. I refuse to let my madness go on that one !

Sidenote; Tee Higgins and Claypool would've looked pretty good in green n gold

[RashanGary]

I'm a big fan of Michael Pittman


Judging Lazards talent based on these last few recovery games is about as wise as judging Adams based on his sophomore season. R-E-L-A-X. He's obviously talented and a clear #2 or even borderline #1!!!

But still, there should be WR's free falling! Nab one.


As far as Adams goes, don't let him go! 3 year extension this offseason that brings him to age 32. Let Aaron Jones go! Even if Davante loses a step, he's the best WR in the league and they can play to age 32! Keep him!!!!!

[GB-Brandon]

You are really sounding like a pussbag lately ))) Be pissed like me; Gutebag had no business moving up unless he got his guy. We don't even know it was Aiyuk. Maybe he wanted the love machine. I refuse to let my madness go on that one !

Sidenote; Tee Higgins and Claypool would've looked pretty good in green n gold

Pittman too!!!

Right now I’m just so blinded by a defense that finally put it all together for a game against a legit offense. Don’t worry, I’m sure this feeling will go away. LOL!!

[RashanGary]

Oh no. Hopkins makes 27/year.


Davante on a 3 year extension would be 4 years, 96M if you average in the last gear of his deal. 24/yr. Yikes!!! Maybe make the 4th year really high priced so you can cut him A year after the Rodgers trade.

16 2021 (with Rodgers)
22 2022 (with Rosgers)
27 2023 (transition year with Love)
31 2024 (cut)

Could afford him till the Rodgers trade / rebuild year

[RashanGary]

There's a good chance they LOVE, Jordan Love.

[run pMc]

Dwayne Haskins went thru waivers unclaimed. No surprise there.
Bet he gets interest and signed to a PS/futures by someone for the talent even though the problem is between his ears.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/12/29/dwayne-haskins-daniel-snyder-washington-football-team/

[run pMc]

Oh no. Hopkins makes 27/year.


Davante on a 3 year extension would be 4 years, 96M if you average in the last gear of his deal. 24/yr. Yikes!!! Maybe make the 4th year really high priced so you can cut him A year after the Rodgers trade.

16 2021 (with Rodgers)
22 2022 (with Rosgers)
27 2023 (transition year with Love)
31 2024 (cut)

Could afford him till the Rodgers trade / rebuild year

Aaaand this is why they need to reload with cheap talent to offset that contract. Adams is going to want to stay in GB, but he's also going to want serious money.

[GB-Brandon]

Aaaand this is why they need to reload with cheap talent to offset that contract. Adams is going to want to stay in GB, but he's also going to want serious money.

Exactly. Like I posted the solution is finding talent on rookie 4 year deals!!!! There is no other solution really.

I’m quite sure the Packers are currently scouting the hell out of the receivers coming available in the upcoming draft.