Official 2021 NFL Draft Thread

[Bretsky]

Is this really the case? He's had four 1st round picks, and I really liked two of them (Jaire and Savage).

well truth be told I really liked Savage and was ok with Jaire as well. I'm just mentally preparing myself )

[wist43]

Is this really the case? He's had four 1st round picks, and I really liked two of them (Jaire and Savage).

Gute really put himself behind the 8 ball with last year's draft.

With a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks to flesh out a contending roster - Gute came away with one viable player, AJ Dillon.

Last year's draft was inexcusable.

That said, 2019 was a very good draft IMO. Gary is progressing, Savage is a good player, and Jenkins is already one of the best Guards in the league. I liked his first draft as well.

Combine that with making some good FA moves, i.e. the Smith brothers and Amos, and I think there is much more good than bad; BUT, last years draft and the Oren Burks pick just blow my mind... seriously, WTF??

[HarveyWallbangers]

Gute really put himself behind the 8 ball with last year's draft.

With a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks to flesh out a contending roster - Gute came away with one viable player, AJ Dillon.

Last year's draft was inexcusable.

Unless Love turns out to be good.

[wist43]

Unless Love turns out to be good.

By the time we know that, how many years will that be without having a first round pick contributing on the field, and how many other QB's drafted since and later will be good??

QB is a crap shoot.

[RashanGary]

Rondale Moore is a good player. Short, but well built, fast, smart.... he’s kind of an ideal gadget player for Lafleur and Rodgers.

[Bretsky]

Rondale Moore is a good player. Short, but well built, fast, smart.... he’s kind of an ideal gadget player for Lafleur and Rodgers.

injured in college but a stud when he was on the field. I would be fine with him at 29

[run pMc]

Interesting read:

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-why-positional-value-matters-in-the-nfl-draft

Was a little surprised by some of the rankings (OT & ED were lower than I'd have expected) but overall I think is accurate and likely explains GB's apparent lack of investing high round picks in off-ball LBs. Being a copycat league, I do wonder if that will change after the TB super bowl win -- David & White were pretty important for them.
I expect a scheme that highlights a specific player at a specific position (I'm thinking of Alvin Kamara or Derrick Henry) would more highly value that specific player and 'overdraft' them.

[bobblehead]

I think this year they can trade those comp picks. Glad they did that. It opens things up for good GM's, and creates a minefield for lousy GM's.

My problem in all this is that I read so little about these guys, that the one thing I read becomes my opinion, to the exclusion of all else. And I only get to know about ten or fifteen guys at all, so if the Packers pick someone not in that group, I automatically think it's a bad pick.

It's lazy fan dumbness. I don't know shit. You guys who watch some clips and do a lot of reading know a hell of a lot more than I do. But just remember Gute has watched about twenty times what you have. And has seen some of these guys in person, and talked to them. It doesn't mean he's a great GM - that's still to be determined - but he has a lot more information than we do. And most of you have a lot more information than I do.

And the one time I thought I knew something for real - because I'd watched Rashan Gary for a few years, albeit casually, and didn't see him do shit - it turns out I might've been wrong there, too.

Having information and the ability to process it are 2 entirely different things. I have cooled a little on my Gutes hate temporarily because I always say results matter more than my impression. However he is still living off TT. He had a ton of cap room and several all pros at key positions when he took over. I want to see what happens when he has to replace Rodgers, Adams, Jones, Bak, Clark et al instead of just handing out big money for established players.

I'm not as impressed as many here with Savage. Gary still only played about 450 snaps last year. He crushed the Alexander and Jenkins picks, but beyond that I'm not impressed with his ability to scout talent so far. That can change as most of his draftees are young and could still improve, and Gary certainly has flashed that he may be a stud. Savage has flashed being solid, but I haven't seen anything that wowed me. I guess its still early and like I said, I have tempered my hate, but I'm not ready to be on board with Gutes as the long tern answer just yet.

[Fritz]

Having information and the ability to process it are 2 entirely different things. I have cooled a little on my Gutes hate temporarily because I always say results matter more than my impression. However he is still living off TT. He had a ton of cap room and several all pros at key positions when he took over. I want to see what happens when he has to replace Rodgers, Adams, Jones, Bak, Clark et al instead of just handing out big money for established players.

I'm not as impressed as many here with Savage. Gary still only played about 450 snaps last year. He crushed the Alexander and Jenkins picks, but beyond that I'm not impressed with his ability to scout talent so far. That can change as most of his draftees are young and could still improve, and Gary certainly has flashed that he may be a stud. Savage has flashed being solid, but I haven't seen anything that wowed me. I guess its still early and like I said, I have tempered my hate, but I'm not ready to be on board with Gutes as the long tern answer just yet.

I'm with you on Gutes. You also point out, as I have, that this is in part because the vast majority of the best players on that team are from Thompson: Rodgers, Bakh, Adams, Tonyan, Linsley (before he left), Aaron Jones, Kenny Clark. And, as you said, a ton of cap space. Well, Gute has used up that resource pretty quickly, so we'll see how he does now that he has to manage the whole thing and account for the spending he's done.

[bobblehead]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-draft-this-citadel-football-and-track-star-doesnt-need-the-nfl-in-2021-but-teams-sure-could-use-him/

This feels like a gutes pick.

[RashanGary]

injured in college but a stud when he was on the field. I would be fine with him at 29

He would have a spot in our offense for sure. I’m not sure if we can keep Adams but Gute seems pretty dead set on core players. Gutes profile says Adams will be extended.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I want no part of Rondale Moore in the 1st round.

On a side note: Simi Fehoko is an interesting watch as a Packers fan. He kind of looks like Jake Kumerow, but his athletic profile is very similar to Jeff Janis. He's like a Kumerow/Janis hybrid.

Simi Fehoko = 6'4" 222 4.44 40, 4.26 ss, 6.78 3 cone
Jeff Janis = 6'3" 219 4.42 40, 3.98 ss, 6.64 3 cone
Jake Kumerow = 6'4 1/2" 209, 4.54 40, 4.26 ss, 6.90, 3 cone

On top of that, he has the hands of MVS.

[RashanGary]

I want no part of Rondale Moore in the 1st round.

On a side note: Simi Fehoko is an interesting watch as a Packers fan. He kind of looks like Jake Kumerow, but his athletic profile is very similar to Jeff Janis. He's like a Kumerow/Janis hybrid.

Simi Fehoko = 6'4" 222 4.44 40, 4.26 ss, 6.78 3 cone
Jeff Janis = 6'3" 219 4.42 40, 3.98 ss, 6.64 3 cone
Jake Kumerow = 6'4 1/2" 209, 4.54 40, 4.26 ss, 6.90, 3 cone

On top of that, he has the hands of MVS.

Moore is kind of a luxury pick. I think he’s a good bet to be a long time, impactful NFL player. It’s a luxury though and probably more like a second round pick.

[RashanGary]

Jim Nagy, who heads up the senior bowl, said next year will be a loaded senior class. Lots of players opted in for a 5th year of college (covid eligibility) and will make next year's round 3-6 absolutely stacked.

Gute said the same thing. Shallow class this year because of senior opt ins, indicating next year would be loaded.

Let's hope for a decent comp pick for Lindsley and Jamal Williams. Maybe trade this year's picks for picks next year in the same round.

[Bretsky]

Jim Nagy, who heads up the senior bowl, said next year will be a loaded senior class. Lots of players opted in for a 5th year of college (covid eligibility) and will make next year's round 3-6 absolutely stacked.

Gute said the same thing. Shallow class this year because of senior opt ins, indicating next year would be loaded.

Let's hope for a decent comp pick for Lindsley and Jamal Williams. Maybe trade this year's picks for picks next year in the same round.

I've watched Hoody Genius to this and a few others. Typically you get a round up. In other words, if you trade this years 3rd you'd get a 2nd next year. We should do that with out 3rd every year ))