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    Packers All-Time Team

    Trying to get my mind off the game. I came up with a Packers All-Time Team. This team consists of players who played most of their careers after 1959--which I consider modern football times. I'm actually working on a project to do this for every NFL team. I tried to keep to some minimums for position (3 QB, 3 RB, 4 WR, 2 TE, 3 OT, 3 OG, 2 OC, 3 DE, 3 DT, 5 LB, 4 CB, 3 S).

    There were some hard decisions.

    WR - Antonio Freeman, Randall Cobb, and Greg Jennings were left off. I already have a lot of WRs.

    OT - I have a lot of them, but I think they deserve a spot over a long-time, average starter at another position.

    DT - Probably the most pathetic position, and it won't take too many healthy seasons for Kenny Clark to make this list.

    CB - Hard deciding between Al Harris, Tramon Williams, or even a long-time starter like Mark Lee.

    There were some guys that started a lot of games for the Packers, but were never Pro Bowl caliber players (CB Lee, S Johnnie Gray, S Mark Murphy). I left most of them off--except for John Anderson. I felt he had done just enough, for now, to make the team.

    Outside of Clark, Jaire Alexander looks like the player most likely to join this list from the current team (who isn't already on the team)--as long as he stays with the Packers beyond his rookie contract.

    Green Bay Packers All-Time Team

    OFFENSE

    QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre*, Bart Starr*
    RB (3) Jim Taylor*, Ahman Green, Paul Hornung*
    WR (7) James Lofton*, Sterling Sharpe, Donald Driver, Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, Boyd Dowler, Carrol Dale
    TE (2) Paul Coffman, Ron Kramer
    OT (6) Forrest Gregg*, David Bakhtiari, Chad Clifton, Mark Tauscher, Ken Ruettgers, Bryan Bulaga
    OG (4) Jerry Kramer*, Gale Gillingham, Josh Sitton, Marco Rivera
    OC (2) Larry McCarren, Frank Winters

    DEFENSE

    DE (5) Reggie White*, Willie Davis*, Aaron Kampman, Lionel Aldridge, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
    DT (3) Henry Jordan*, Ron Kostelnik, Gilbert Brown
    LB (7) Ray Nitschke*, Dave Robinson*, Clay Matthews, Lee Roy Caffey, Fred Carr, Tim Harris, John Anderson
    CB (6) Herb Adderley*, Charles Woodson, Bob Jeter, Willie Buchanon, Ken Ellis, Al Harris
    S (3) Willie Wood*, LeRoy Butler, Nick Collins

    SPECIAL TEAMS

    PK (1) Mason Crosby
    P (1) Tim Masthay

    Total #: 53

    * Denotes Hall of Famer

    Pre-1960s Hall Of Famers: QB Arnie Herber, HB Tony Canadeo, FB Clark Hinkle, HB Johnny McNally, WR Don Hutson, OT Cal Hubbard, OG Mike Michalske, OC Jim Ringo, S Bobby Dillon
    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
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    I'm guessing you left Jim Ringo off because he played part of his career before 1960 and another part with Philadelphia? He was first team all-pro from 1960-1963. I suspect down the road Elgton Jenkins would qualify, but unsure of what position.
    Last edited by Joemailman; 01-27-2021, 06:34 AM.
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    • #3
      Mac McGee too early for consideration?

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      • #4
        Great list. I feel like the ot position might be to heavily represented from the last couple years. And straight up disagree with kgb.
        Love the first 2 names on the wr list. Beautiful memories!.
        I am suprised how weak we are at dt.
        Great work harvey
        Last edited by Upnorth; 01-27-2021, 09:49 AM.
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        • #5
          Santana Dotson > Gilbert Brown

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          • #6
            I understand there is a massive gap between Starr favre rodgers and anyone else but a part of me wants to add lynn dickey to the list.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
              I'm guessing you left Jim Ringo off because he played part of his career before 1960 and another part with Philadelphia? He was first team all-pro from 1960-1963. I suspect down the road Elgton Jenkins would qualify, but unsure of what position.
              Yes, that was my initial thought. However, now that I look at it--even though he played most of his Packers career before 1960--Ringo's four All-Pro seasons in the early 60's should probably qualify him for the team. Looking at Pro Football Reference's Approximate Value #, Ringo received 61 AV for those four seasons--which is higher than several players on the team. Two of the DTs have lesser AV, but I have to keep them to fulfill my minimum roster requirements. Al Harris, KGB, Tim Harris, and Paul Hornung (for his production in the 60s alone) all have AVs lower than Ringo (in the 60s alone). Since I'm heavy on CBs and there isn't much separating Al Harris from Tramon Williams and Mark Lee, I think I'll put Ringo and take Al Harris off. Or I could take John Anderson off. I'm open to ideas.
              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sharpe1027 View Post
                Mac McGee too early for consideration?
                This was a hard one. Of those Lombardi WRs, Dowler has him beat easily. McGee would have him beat if you took into consideration his production pre-1960, but in the 60s Dale has 3 Pro Bowl seasons to 1 Pro Bowl season for McGee and a higher AV (barely).
                "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by sharpe1027 View Post
                  Santana Dotson > Gilbert Brown
                  Another tough one. Their AV was almost identical. Dotson was the slightly better all-around player, but Brown's longevity gave him a slightly higher AV total. I also took into consideration the Gravedigger's popularity among the Packers faithful. I might have to put up these close decision up for a vote.
                  "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Upnorth View Post
                    Great list. I feel like the ot position might be to heavily represented from the last couple years. And straight up disagree with kgb.
                    Love the first 2 names on the wr list. Beautiful memories!.
                    I am suprised how weak we are at dt.
                    Great work harvey
                    We've been spoiled by QB greatness. We all loved Dickey in the 1980s and felt he was underappreciated because of the team's lack of success (primarily due to putrid defenses). He would be borderline, and I would not be against him replacing somebody like John Anderson.

                    Like I stated above, I used career AV as a baseline, but I did bypass several players that had career longevity for guys who were better players for a shorter amount of time. Guys who had longevity and probably would have qualified on career AV alone: OG Ron Hallstrom, DE Robert Brown, DT Ryan Pickett, LB A.J. Hawk, CB Mark Lee, S Johnnie Gray, S Mark Murphy. LB John Anderson was the one exception. Of these guys Anderson and Lee had the highest career AVs and had the best arguments to be on the team.
                    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                    • #11
                      QB

                      An obvious top 3 in Starr, Favre, and Rodgers. I personally think Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in Packers history, but an argument can be made for all three.

                      The only question here: does Lynn Dickey deserve a spot on the team as a 4th QB? We all loved him. He got little help from his OL and defense--although he did have some good weapons in James Lofton, John Jefferson, Paul Coffman, etc. His career AV of 71 with the Packers is higher than others on the All-Time Team. However, I noticed AV tends to be higher for QBs. He didn't make any Pro Bowls. He was an All-Pro in 1983.
                      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                      • #12
                        RB

                        Another obvious top 3 in Taylor, Green, and Hornung--although it's not so obvious when you just take Hornung's career from the 1960s into consideration. His AV is actually slightly lower than John Brockington and Dorsey Levens. However, his two All-Pro nods in the 1960s, MVP season in 1961, and contributions for the Lombardi dynasty trump Brockington and Levens.

                        Brockington is another borderline player here. I could see taking him a spot over somebody else at another position.
                        Last edited by HarveyWallbangers; 01-27-2021, 10:54 AM.
                        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                        • #13
                          WR

                          Lofton, Sharpe, Driver, Dowler, and Nelson were locks. After that, an argument could be made for Dale, Adams, Antonio Freeman, Randall Cobb, Greg Jennings, and Max McGee.

                          The career AVs were close for those 6. I chose Dale over McGee because his AV was slightly higher compared to McGee in the 1960s, and he had 3 Pro Bowls compared to 1 Pro Bowl for McGee in the 60s. The career AVs for Adams, Freeman, Cobb, and Jennings were all close. It really came down to Freeman vs. Adams. Since Adams AV is already close and he has 4 Pro Bowls to Freeman's 1 Pro Bowl, I chose Adams already. After this season, it will be a moot point.
                          "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                          • #14
                            OT

                            Gregg might be the best OT ever. Clifton and Bakhtiari are the next tier. Clifton didn't get as much recognition as Bakh, but he was nearly as good and played for 12 years. The next three (Tauscher, Ruettgers, Bulaga) were all close. I think they all deserve a spot on the team. Without his injury, Bulaga probably is 4th on this list, but he still gets the last spot here despite the injuries.
                            "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                            • #15
                              I would add Mike Douglass at LB. He played on so many crumby teams but always stood out to me. His nickname, "Mad Dog" was also pretty cool

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