Official Fire Chuck Berry Thread

[ThunderDan]

Offense is averaging 17.8 ppg - 24th in the league 348.2 yards pg 15th in the league
Defense is allowing 20.5 ppg - 15th in the league 299.2 yards pg 5th in the league

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Offense is averaging 17.8 ppg - 24th in the league 348.2 yards pg 15th in the league
Defense is allowing 20.5 ppg - 15th in the league 299.2 yards pg 5th in the league

Defense PPG is inflated a tad due to a Butte pick-6 and a blocked punt-6. Last I checked, Packers were #1 against the pass.

The defense ain’t ‘96 great, but if the Packer offense could get the lead, and accumulate it, opposing offenses would be forced to abandon the run and play into the defense’s strength, which is the pass.

I agree with Partial: O sucks more than D. But I also agree with Tex: fire Barry!

[RashanGary]

O is worse than the D. I agree.

[run pMc]

OL is a problem and Stenovich should get more involved. He worked wonders with less in previous years. Maybe Luke Butkus is actually a sleeper cell agent for the Bears?

D looks better statistically that it is. They've played Justin Fields, Bailey Zappe, and Zach Wilson, and I don't think any of them cracked 150 yards passing. That will make your pass defense look good. Why throw when you can run the ball and keep Rodgers off the field?

Rewatched parts of the Jets game; Rodgers was hurried a lot but he was missing open guys. Also did not like some of the play calls. Bad game by coaches and players. They did play more man coverage which was something. I still don't care for Joe Barry's D and think they should go in a different direction next year.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm not letting the offense off the hook. But there are clear deficiencies there - injuries and inexperience at WR as well as mediocrity and possible coaching problems with the O Line. The D on the other hand, seemed to be a loaded bunch talent-wise, and Barry is managing to screw things up anyway. That side is definitely the primary problem.

[Bretsky]

Offense has HUGE issues too, and AROD is part of the problem

His demeanor on the field sucks; I think he sucks as a teammate. His interviews suck. He's a douchebag. I cheered for him as a football player whose great playing skills allowed me to overcome all of his personal deficiences as a teammate and human being. He's not playing at that level this year. It's not just him, obviously...or OL stinks.

But he's not ELEVATING ANYBODY this year.

And he can stick his snarky ass post game comments and his weekly interviews with his TOOL right up you know where.

Listen to Matty's interview as well. He's not on the same page with Rodgers. I'm not sure Matty can control AROD and/or BuddyBarry.

[Joemailman]

Offense has HUGE issues too, and AROD is part of the problem

His demeanor on the field sucks; I think he sucks as a teammate. His interviews suck. He's a douchebag. I cheered for him as a football player whose great playing skills allowed me to overcome all of his personal deficiences as a teammate and human being. He's not playing at that level this year. It's not just him, obviously...or OL stinks.

But he's not ELEVATING ANYBODY this year.

And he can stick his snarky ass post game comments and his weekly interviews with his TOOL right up you know where.

Listen to Matty's interview as well. He's not on the same page with Rodgers. I'm not sure Matty can control AROD and/or BuddyBarry.

There's always been a natural conflict between MLF's offense and what Rodgers wants to do. MLF wants a lot of motion and misdirection to scheme guys to get open. Rodgers wants to walk up to the line, scan the defense, and figure out his best matchup, audibling if necessary. They were able to find a middle ground that worked really well the last 2 years. We'll see if they can again find a middle ground that works. Of course, if they don't fix the offensive line, nothing will work. I still think they can make this work if they can get healthy at receiver. Lazard, Watkins, Cobb, Watson and Doubs isn't bad. Just Lazard and Doubs is pretty anemic.

[Upnorth]

We get an online, Rodgers settles down, running game finds a groove. O gets fixed.
Longer drives, d gets rest. D gets even better.
Our oline is killing us

[Fritz]

I have been surprised by two parts of this team: the defense overall and the offensive line. Even with Bakh back and Jenkins back, they're a sieve. Rodgers has lost so much mobility - even within the picket - that he has to be given time and space. And the run blocking is almost as miserable. I hope that MLF makes a move soon; I hear that it may still be that Jenkins and Bakh are getting there legs under them, but I dunno. Maybe. I'd like to see a shake-up, though. Either put Tom out at RT and move Jenkins to guard on the left side, and then move Runyan to the right and get rid of "I got rolled" Royce on that starting line. Or put Nijman at right tackle. Or something. I also see from time to time Myers getting pushed backward. I don't know the offensive line play very well - I am no expert - but I am not convinced Myers is as good as Tretter or Linsley.

And don't get me started on this defense. Or Joe Barely.

[Fritz]

Here's an article that shows some reasons for the Packers' poor run defense - Joe Barely gets criticized here for not playing the best scheme for the situations his defense is in, and Campbell gets some criticism for being out of position and for some seemingly poor efforts.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2022/10/20/23413170/green-bay-packers-film-room-defense-new-york-jets-week-6-2022

[run pMc]

Campbell's tackling has not been good this year, and he's not reading things as well for some reason.
All that aside, I don't like Barry. I think he's basically a copy of a copy of a DC, and an unimaginative one at that. I think he tries to make the players fit to his scheme, vs. the other way around. That's a recipe for not getting the most out of your talent, and given all the first rounders they have on the defense you know they have talent. Stokes and Jaire are very good man corners and he has them playing zone from 8 yards off. They put Rasul in the slot when that's not where he's best. Reed or Slaton should be in there for Lowry on early downs.

Also, Darnell Savage has not developed much since his rookie year.

[Fritz]

Agreed.Way back when in the 80's I coached high school freshmen basketball. I worked under a guy who was a legend in Maryland - we won a State Title in '86 - and he always said, find out what your guys do best, and design your scheme around that.

[texaspackerbacker]

True. I always said LaFleur did just that, subordinated his own ego and did what worked best with the material he has. Well, Barry is doing the opposite - it seems. He's forcing zone D when he has outstanding man cover DBs. He's using Campbell and Q. Walker to cover the short zones, which they aren't doing very well, and that getting them out of position from doing what ILBs do best, read and react.

[call_me_ishmael]

Played man on two biggest plays of the game and Jaire got beat 2x

[RashanGary]

Jaire is better off.