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  • I don't think Josh Allen really hurt the Packers, I think the fact they could not stop the run hurt them. Devin Singletary had one of his better games against this defense, and there's plenty of film clips on twitter of poor run fits and bad tackling to prove it.
    Barry statistically hasn't really been much of an upgrade to Pettine, has he? (By scoring, yards or DVOA)

    It's an ok defense but the talent suggests it could be more. I think they'd look (and play) better if the offense was putting up 28+ points per game and could play with a lead more. Going into the year we all knew the defense was going to need to be good and expected it to be good and it has been inconsistent at best. No wonder the camp buzz was that the D was very good - the offense stunk. I have to think holding Fournette under 40 yards rushing was an aberration caused by Tampa's makeshift line.

    I'm not a fan of Barry, Fangio or Zimmer would be upgrades IMO. MLF won't do a mid-year change - if he makes one at all. I hope he makes one at year's end.
    Oh, by the way, look at how Ejiro Evero is doing for Denver. They could've hired him instead of Barry.

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    • Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
      I will not bag on barry until he coaches a bad playoff game. SF didn't RUN all over us like every other team in the playoffs has the last few years. ST and dysfunctional offense lost that game. If barry costs us a playoff game I'll be on the "YOU'RE FIRED!!" bandwagon.
      In fairness to Barry, there have been a couple of games this year where his game plan was actually ok and they just didn't execute, or the offense let them down. They played good enough against WAS (except for the run defense) to win that game. You could say Amari cost them the game with the muffed punt that turned into 3 points in a 2 point loss.

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      • Originally posted by run pMc View Post
        I don't think Josh Allen really hurt the Packers, I think the fact they could not stop the run hurt them. Devin Singletary had one of his better games against this defense, and there's plenty of film clips on twitter of poor run fits and bad tackling to prove it.
        Barry statistically hasn't really been much of an upgrade to Pettine, has he? (By scoring, yards or DVOA)

        It's an ok defense but the talent suggests it could be more. I think they'd look (and play) better if the offense was putting up 28+ points per game and could play with a lead more. Going into the year we all knew the defense was going to need to be good and expected it to be good and it has been inconsistent at best. No wonder the camp buzz was that the D was very good - the offense stunk. I have to think holding Fournette under 40 yards rushing was an aberration caused by Tampa's makeshift line.

        I'm not a fan of Barry, Fangio or Zimmer would be upgrades IMO. MLF won't do a mid-year change - if he makes one at all. I hope he makes one at year's end.
        Oh, by the way, look at how Ejiro Evero is doing for Denver. They could've hired him instead of Barry.
        I don't recall the names, but I was hoping at the time of the DC opening that MLF would hire a young buck to run things. But he did not. And how is the Denver defense doing?
        "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

        KYPack

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          I can't run no more
          With that lawless crowd
          While the killers in high places
          Say their prayers out loud
          But they've summoned, they've summoned up
          A thundercloud
          They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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          • The problem is same as it has been forever with our D. We can't stop a 2 dimensional offense. If you looked at the Derrick Henry box score you would be convinced we shut them down and won the game.

            I am officially on the fire Joe B bandwagon now. You can't gameplan to stop Henry and COMPLETELY ignore the passing game. That was embarrassing.
            The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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            • Yeah, I'm on the bandwagon. I don't think he adjusts fast enough, and I don't think he's creative.

              I also think his defense is too passive, whether it be in pass rushing or pass coverage. Playing soft zone and letting teams dog-walk you down the field is demoralizing. They talk about how much talent their secondary has with Jaire, Rasul, Stokes, Amos, and Savage but they rarely if ever let them play aggressively. What's the point of having the highest paid CB in the league and have him sitting bored in the curl/flat part of a zone? You can get a rookie to do that.

              I see a defense that rarely (if ever) dictates to the opposing teams offense or forces their hand. It's reactive play and I think the defense would be better if they attacked more.

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              • Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                I don't recall the names, but I was hoping at the time of the DC opening that MLF would hire a young buck to run things. But he did not. And how is the Denver defense doing?
                Ejiro Evero, now with Denver, was that guy. I believe MLF interviewed him. The Denver defense is #1 in points allowed, and #2 in yards allowed.
                I can't run no more
                With that lawless crowd
                While the killers in high places
                Say their prayers out loud
                But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                A thundercloud
                They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                • Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                  Ejiro Evero, now with Denver, was that guy. I believe MLF interviewed him. The Denver defense is #1 in points allowed, and #2 in yards allowed.
                  Remember, that Denver offense is just as putrid as Green Bays. So the whole "blame the offense" for the D's failings just doesn't fly.

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                  • Can't believe no one bumped this thread last night. The good news is I think that Barry is finished here. He'll be allowed to finish the season, but he'll be gone. Last night's comeback proved MLF hasn't lost the team. But Barry has lost the defense. If MLF were to bring Barry back, he might well lose the team.
                    I can't run no more
                    With that lawless crowd
                    While the killers in high places
                    Say their prayers out loud
                    But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                    A thundercloud
                    They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                    • What’s the point of keeping him around - why not give an assistant a real job interview? Or rotate different assistants each game??
                      The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
                      Vince Lombardi

                      "Not really interested in being a spoiler or an underdog. We're the Green Bay Packers." McCarthy.

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                      • Originally posted by Fosco33 View Post
                        What’s the point of keeping him around - why not give an assistant a real job interview? Or rotate different assistants each game??
                        I think they need to overhaul the defensive staff. Most of these guys are holdovers from the Pettine era or before. I don't think there's anyone on the staff who would be a candidate for DC.
                        I can't run no more
                        With that lawless crowd
                        While the killers in high places
                        Say their prayers out loud
                        But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                        A thundercloud
                        They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                        • "The Pettine Era" -- That word now makes me nostalgic... as well as the "Caper's era".

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                          • Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
                            I will not bag on barry until he coaches a bad playoff game. SF didn't RUN all over us like every other team in the playoffs has the last few years. ST and dysfunctional offense lost that game. If barry costs us a playoff game I'll be on the "YOU'RE FIRED!!" bandwagon.
                            Ok, guess I'm a hypocrite. That wasn't a playoff game, but Barry needs to go.
                            The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                            • I just had the thought - does Jimmy Leonhard even have the NFL connections to form a competent coaching staff? Are there examples of other coordinators going from college to NFL and being successful? Joe Brady was kind of a bust.

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                              • Originally posted by Jaire View Post
                                "The Pettine Era" -- That word now makes me nostalgic... as well as the "Caper's era".
                                The Capers era is actually better than you remember if you go back and look at it.

                                Woods won D-MVP. Claymaker was a great white hope. The Psycho. Super Bowl 45 champs. Yeah, yeah. Kap owned the Packers. But Kap was awesome.

                                Thomason’s incompetent decision to draft Nikita Perry over hip hop safety Harrison Smith pretty much doomed Capers.

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