Official Fire Chuck Berry Thread

[bobblehead]

I'm back where i was a few weeks back. My opinion of Barry will be mainly based on playoffs. He stoned SF last year when the other 2 units stunk on ice. If he does same this year I won't much care about week 11 so much.

[bobblehead]

Enagbare had 34 snaps. Hollins 26. FWIW, I thought Hollins flashed more. Both had 2 QB hits. Hollins had 1 TFL.

Hollins is a pass rush specialist only. He is god awful vs. the run.

[Sparkey]

https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Article/The-Packers-completely-overhauled-their-defensive-structure-at-the-bye-week-202069450/

[run pMc]

https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-...eek-202069450/

So he waited until Week 14 to call more Cover-2 and Cover-6, and blitzed less? Why should that take an extra week to figure out?
It's true that previously he was calling Cover-3 a lot, even at stupid times. I don't think this 'change' is really all that dramatic - it's still a lot of zone coverage. I'd say since MIA they've played more man coverage which suits the CBs well.

I have a horrible feeling MLF will let him keep his job. I don't enjoy seeing people lose their jobs, but I don't think Barry should be the DC next year.

That it took him until week 14 to make changes doesn't make him some kind of misunderstood genius. If anything, it continues to support the narrative that this team is bad at self-scouting, and slow to make adjustments.

[Sparkey]

So he waited until Week 14 to call more Cover-2 and Cover-6, and blitzed less? Why should that take an extra week to figure out?
It's true that previously he was calling Cover-3 a lot, even at stupid times. I don't think this 'change' is really all that dramatic - it's still a lot of zone coverage. I'd say since MIA they've played more man coverage which suits the CBs well.

I have a horrible feeling MLF will let him keep his job. I don't enjoy seeing people lose their jobs, but I don't think Barry should be the DC next year.

That it took him until week 14 to make changes doesn't make him some kind of misunderstood genius. If anything, it continues to support the narrative that this team is bad at self-scouting, and slow to make adjustments.

I'm right there with you. If anything, Barry is a reactive DC and not proactive. In other words, he wont change unless he is forced to. The good DC's are always looking to improve.

[run pMc]

I'm right there with you. If anything, Barry is a reactive DC and not proactive. In other words, he wont change unless he is forced to. The good DC's are always looking to improve.

Yeah, I think he's content to just basically run someone else's scheme and stick with it come hell or high water... which doesn't really seem like he adds any value. The move to Ford over Savage, and putting Savage in the slot took forever. Getting Wyatt on the field over Lowry required an injury. Bad tackling, bad communication in a secondary returning all its starters. Sitting back in zone coverage and letting the QB pat the ball until someone is open vs. scheming some pressure. Mixing up your coverages or disguising coverages. It's been vanilla at times, which makes me wonder (a) how it's being taught, (b) the intelligence of the players and (c) if the players have tuned him out.

To his credit, the defense has played better lately, and there have been games this year where he has had a good game plan -- even if the players poorly executed it. But honestly I think the recent surge is twofold: coaches are coaching for their jobs, and players realizing they can still make the playoffs and deciding to put up a fight to get in.

Is Jerry Montgomery a good DL coach? I kind of wonder.
The new OLB coach (Rebrovich or whatever) seems good - he's gotten good stuff from Enagbare and Hollins.
Jerry Gray had to yell at his players to get them to listen.
No idea on Olivadotti(?) the ILB coach.

[Bretsky]

I still think Barry is really sub par; I don't think we win it all with him at DC. Most likely, as I called 3 games ago, by running the table imo he's saves his job. I expect to beat Detroit. And then if we run into SF I expect an early exit and he'll be exposed somehow. The greater good; doesn't look like it'll happen anymore

[bobblehead]

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[bobblehead]

https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-...eek-202069450/

I'm no defensive guru, but it seemed to me that he barely used either of those alignments in the first half of the Miami game, then almost exclusively in the 2nd half. The 4 man and only 4 man rush was what I noted at the time.

[bobblehead]

I'm right there with you. If anything, Barry is a reactive DC and not proactive. In other words, he wont change unless he is forced to. The good DC's are always looking to improve.

Or, he gives it a minute before over reacting. Remember, in the early parts of the season the D wasn't that bad. That article notes the "points allowed" but doesn't factor in our inept offense at the time that couldn't sustain a drive more than 4 or 5 plays. He made the adjustment. The D hasn't been the problem MOST of the season. If we roll into the playoffs with a defense that is carrying the team, firing him would be pretty crazy.

[bobblehead]

I still think Barry is really sub par; I don't think we win it all with him at DC. Most likely, as I called 3 games ago, by running the table imo he's saves his job. I expect to beat Detroit. And then if we run into SF I expect an early exit and he'll be exposed somehow. The greater good; doesn't look like it'll happen anymore

SF offense got about 6? on him last year in the playoffs. Is it fair to criticize him when his unit is the only one that showed up for the playoffs last season?

[run pMc]

SF offense got about 6? on him last year in the playoffs. Is it fair to criticize him when his unit is the only one that showed up for the playoffs last season?

I don't know that a playoff game last year is enough to save his job at the end of this year. Most coaches live in a win-now world.

The defense played excellent in the SF playoff game. I think he got credit for that.
Where he gets criticized is that he wasn't able to carry that over or build on it this year. The defense was supposed to be top 10 if not top 5.

Remember Game 1 vs. MIN and JJ running wide open?
Remember Tannehill easily outplaying Rodgers while TEN carved up the defense?
How about giving up more rushing yards to PHI than they did in the Kaepernick playoff game?
Remember the 'Savage would be unbelievable' in the slot remark earlier this year, and how it took him another 2 weeks to actually try it?

Plenty of times this year the defense has looked shaky at best. They have come on as of late, maybe it does save his job. There have been games this year where he deserves credit, but there were reasons for the chatter around firing him mid-season.

Either way I think he's a subpar DC.

[Bretsky]

SF offense got about 6? on him last year in the playoffs. Is it fair to criticize him when his unit is the only one that showed up for the playoffs last season?

Are you trying to argue Barry is adequate, competent or above average, or just asking if one playoff game omits him from criticism ? I didn't complain about Barry after the SF game and he gets some credit there.

But he was unqualified from day one and has done very little to change my mind that he can lead up to winning a Super Bowl

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm certainly not gonna defend Barry. I've been as much against him as anybody. But two things: LaFleur doesn't seem to share the negativity most of us have with him, and the Packers in fact CAN win with him - make that in spite of his alleged lack of competence as a DC. They did last season, and they've seemingly snapped out of the funk and played some better late this season. If Rodgers, Jones, and the receivers are on their game, we still can beat anybody.

[bobblehead]

I'm playing devil's advocate more than defending him. And I'm pretty sure most of those critiquing him are the same who say the owl is the only measure if success. Rodgers gets you to the playoffs alone. But defense in the playoffs wins owls.