Official Fire Chuck Berry Thread

[Bretsky]

I'm playing devil's advocate more than defending him. And I'm pretty sure most of those critiquing him are the same who say the owl is the only measure if success. Rodgers gets you to the playoffs alone. But defense in the playoffs wins owls.

Well I think I agree with you; if the measure of succcess is just getting to the playoffs it doesn't matter who our Defensive Coordinator is

For me with AROD it's SB or BUST. Do out with the pretender and bring us a quality DC.

[bobblehead]

Well I think I agree with you; if the measure of succcess is just getting to the playoffs it doesn't matter who our Defensive Coordinator is

For me with AROD it's SB or BUST. Do out with the pretender and bring us a quality DC.

But my point is that Barry has only had one playoff game with us (2 if you count last week). So far he has balled out when it matters most. If that continues, even if we lose, I can't see him getting fired. I have pounded the table for Leonhard as much as anyone, and I would be thrilled to swap out for Fangio. But to quote Paula Abdul "if he can....." If he can shut down another few offenses (MN, Det and whoever we play in the playoffs) then he doesn't deserve to be fired.

[Sparkey]

https://wisportsheroics.com/how-joe-barry-has-crafted-an-adaptable-defense/

[Joemailman]

In PC, MLF says he anticipates Barry will be back next year.

[run pMc]

Unbelievable.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/1/10/23548131/matt-lafleur-anticipates-packers-coaching-staff-to-return-for-2023-including-joe-barry

Over half your starting D is 1st round picks, and you still finish with middling league rankings AND keep your job.

[Joemailman]

Unbelievable.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/1/10/23548131/matt-lafleur-anticipates-packers-coaching-staff-to-return-for-2023-including-joe-barry

Over half your starting D is 1st round picks, and you still finish with middling league rankings AND keep your job.

This angle is getting a bit overblown though. Yes, they have 7 1st round picks on defense. But of those, 2 were rookies, 1 missed most of the season with an injury, 1 missed half of the season with an injury. It's not like they were putting 7 experienced 1st round picks in the starting lineup every week.

[call_me_ishmael]

Something that continues to bewilder me a bit is how can Kenny Clark be so dominant and be one of the highest paid DL and the DL still kinda sucks consistently. I'm not saying it's his fault but the two things don't really align.

[RashanGary]

Clark was pedestrian in stretches this season, but pretty good in other stretches. He’s not in the top 5 interior DL in my opinion. He’s in the second tier. Gary is in the second tier of edges too. So to start the year we had two really good lineman. That’s just not going to blow you away. They’re not great. They’re good.

Lowry is a serviceable backup. Reed is a serviceable backup. Wyatt is a serviceable backup. Slaton is probably a serviceable starter. Preston is a serviceable starter. Enagbare is a serviceable backup.

The defense isn’t stacked. Joe Barry coached them about as well as anyone else would have.

And the back end isn’t great either, outside of Jaire.

[red]

Clark was pedestrian in stretches this season, but pretty good in other stretches. He’s not in the top 5 interior DL in my opinion. He’s in the second tier. Gary is in the second tier of edges too. So to start the year we had two really good lineman. That’s just not going to blow you away. They’re not great. They’re good.

Lowry is a serviceable backup. Reed is a serviceable backup. Wyatt is a serviceable backup. Slaton is probably a serviceable starter. Preston is a serviceable starter. Enagbare is a serviceable backup.

The defense isn’t stacked. Joe Barry coached them about as well as anyone else would have.

And the back end isn’t great either, outside of Jaire.

so then gutebag needs to be canned for pissing away all those 1st round picks on shit

you can't just have an obvious problem, but don't do anything about it because you can't decide which of the 2 guys responsible was the biggest problem

[Bretsky]

Clark was pedestrian in stretches this season, but pretty good in other stretches. He’s not in the top 5 interior DL in my opinion. He’s in the second tier. Gary is in the second tier of edges too. So to start the year we had two really good lineman. That’s just not going to blow you away. They’re not great. They’re good.

Lowry is a serviceable backup. Reed is a serviceable backup. Wyatt is a serviceable backup. Slaton is probably a serviceable starter. Preston is a serviceable starter. Enagbare is a serviceable backup.

The defense isn’t stacked. Joe Barry coached them about as well as anyone else would have.

And the back end isn’t great either, outside of Jaire.

Sure; Barry did a great job the first 12 games; he was fabulous developing players, getting the most out of them, making in game adjustments, and getting all of the players support behind him for at least 75% of the season.

[Bretsky]

In PC, MLF says he anticipates Barry will be back next year.

The FLOWER'S STOCK is DECLINING IMO

Last year it took 2 weeks to fire the ST Coach, which was unthinkable. He's soft. Listen to his responses. He sounds defeated.

And saying, without any review, all of the coaches are getting retained IMO is crazy.

In the end Flower Boy had no intentions of making any moves. The last 25% of the season made things easier for him

[Bretsky]

so then gutebag needs to be canned for pissing away all those 1st round picks on shit

you can't just have an obvious problem, but don't do anything about it because you can't decide which of the 2 guys responsible was the biggest problem

How many First Round Draft Picks are on Defense, and how many are on Offense ?

[Joemailman]

The FLOWER'S STOCK is DECLINING IMO

Last year it took 2 weeks to fire the ST Coach, which was unthinkable. He's soft. Listen to his responses. He sounds defeated.

And saying, without any review, all of the coaches are getting retained IMO is crazy.

In the end Flower Boy had no intentions of making any moves. The last 25% of the season made things easier for him

The pessimistic view is he's too unwilling to make coaching changes after an underachieving year. The optimistic view is he's taking personal responsibility for this year's failure and not looking for scapegoats.

[Bretsky]

The pessimistic view is he's too unwilling to make coaching changes after an underachieving year. The optimistic view is he's taking personal responsibility for this year's failure and not looking for scapegoats.

IF he's taking personal responsibility, which I don't buy for a second, he can start by looking himself in the mirror and asking himself WTF he's doing at the coordinator positions.

Barry Ball is no better than Pettine, who, really didn't get fired anyways. And they took a big downgrade at the OC and OL coaches this year. Just a crap effect.

Did you hear Rodgers interview where he threw the Flower under the bus and said his last three play calls stunk but added we need to execute better ? And then when somebody asked Flower about that is just squinted, and buried his head in the sand, squirmed, and then did some babbling coach talk about Rodgers comments.

He no longer seems like an effective leader to me. I hope I'm off; but this is what I see from all that happened this year.

[Joemailman]

I think he knows nothing worked this year. This team was never good. He made a remark the other night about how "everything was exposed". I think he knows he has to go back to square one and rebuild this. Sometimes leadership means you have to be willing to get rid of underachieving people. But sometimes it means finding ways to get more out of the people you have. He seems to be taking the latter approach. Look at the most successful teams in the NFL. They're not changing their coordinators every couple of years.

I also think the Rodgers situation is undermining his authority. Rodgers needs to go. And it's not all Gutekunst. I think Murphy is very involved in this.