JJ Watt being released

[Spaulding]

time caught up to watt in 2016 already.

I agree with you on many points but this is not one of them. Agreed that 2016 was a disaster for JJ Watt but his PFF ratings since that year are the following:

86.0 2017
90.6 2018
89.6 2019
85.4 2020

Those numbers are elite and the only risk is injury given his limited game totals in some of the prior years. However he did prove in 2020 that he could hold and his role in Green Bay likely wouldn't require him to play the same high total snap count. Add to the fact he was still the most double teamed defender in the game and his work ethic/motor is never ending and you have pretty high chance to land an impact player. This is all not even considering his positive impact on the locker room and what it would do for the franchise itself to have a hometown hero return to play for his childhood team.

That alone is worth the price of admission. I certainly don't want them to bury the team the next few years with some absurd 15million/year contract but but if they can get any type of reasonable discount to land him I think it pays dividends in more than just wins/losses.

[GB-Brandon]

I really don’t get all the “Shocking replies”. We knew almost two weeks ago Cleveland offered in the 17is area. If he doesn’t sign in the 7-10 area with with Green Bay it will never happen. That’s always been the situation. Nothing has changed. I still think there is very good chance he signs with Green Bay. The decision is taking so long for this very reason because the $ discrepancy is so much.

[GB-Brandon]

I agree with you on many points but this is not one of them. Agreed that 2016 was a disaster for JJ Watt but his PFF ratings since that year are the following:

86.0 2017
90.6 2018
89.6 2019
85.4 2020

Those numbers are elite and the only risk is injury given his limited game totals in some of the prior years. However he did prove in 2020 that he could hold and his role in Green Bay likely wouldn't require him to play the same high total snap count. Add to the fact he was still the most double teamed defender in the game and his work ethic/motor is never ending and you have pretty high chance to land an impact player. This is all not even considering his positive impact on the locker room and what it would do for the franchise itself to have a hometown hero return to play for his childhood team.

That alone is worth the price of admission. I certainly don't want them to bury the team the next few years with some absurd 15million/year contract but but if they can get any type of reasonable discount to land him I think it pays dividends in more than just wins/losses.

Just say out loud “Dean Lowry” & then say “Tyler Lancaster”!!!

All the sudden 1 year 12 million sounds “Reasonable” to get it done if need be!!!

At least we know JJ won’t be sitting home eating Twinkies all off-season!!

[texaspackerbacker]

I agree with this. Home state discounts can take different forms. This is close to a crisis year cap-wise. Working with the team on that would help a lot. You could pay Watt a competitive amount with a very low first year cap hit if you work it right - Let's say something like $55 million for five years with a $25 million bonus. That is just a $6 million cap number the first year and more down the line when the cap gets back to normal.

Brandon, I don't agree with you, though, about M. Adams. The guy is head and shoulders better Lowry and Lancaster, and getting him back really cheap would be a good thing.

[GB-Brandon]

I agree with this. Home state discounts can take different forms. This is close to a crisis year cap-wise. Working with the team on that would help a lot. You could pay Watt a competitive amount with a very low first year cap hit if you work it right - Let's say something like $55 million for five years with a $25 million bonus. That is just a $6 million cap number the first year and more down the line when the cap gets back to normal.

Brandon, I don't agree with you, though, about M. Adams. The guy is head and shoulders better Lowry and Lancaster, and getting him back really cheap would be a good thing.

He has had four years to get it together. Whether it being availability or play he hasn’t lived up to much. Maybe a sprinkle here and there. If they want to bring him into camp then whatever but that takes a spot you could give to someone else. Need to know when to move on from these guys. At some point your just enabling which has a negative effect across the board..

I call it “Chasing Candy” from back in the days of running sales floors and crews. Can’t be chasing no damn candy and most certainly can’t go to the club with a Wingman that can’t get Laid!! Time to move on!!

[RashanGary]

Big guys on the DL take.time. Gary took a year and a half, Clark two and a half. Mon has been ascending slowly since he got here. His arrow.is pointing up and he's worth a cheap deal.

[bobblehead]

I agree with you on many points but this is not one of them. Agreed that 2016 was a disaster for JJ Watt but his PFF ratings since that year are the following:

86.0 2017
90.6 2018
89.6 2019
85.4 2020

Those numbers are elite and the only risk is injury given his limited game totals in some of the prior years. However he did prove in 2020 that he could hold and his role in Green Bay likely wouldn't require him to play the same high total snap count. Add to the fact he was still the most double teamed defender in the game and his work ethic/motor is never ending and you have pretty high chance to land an impact player. This is all not even considering his positive impact on the locker room and what it would do for the franchise itself to have a hometown hero return to play for his childhood team.

That alone is worth the price of admission. I certainly don't want them to bury the team the next few years with some absurd 15million/year contract but but if they can get any type of reasonable discount to land him I think it pays dividends in more than just wins/losses.

Oh, he can still play when he stays on the field. But in the last 5 seasons he has had 3 where he missed 13, 11, and 8 games. I don't want a guy who might or might not be around for the playoffs. If he were young I would say it may have been fluky and discount the injuries. He is not young by football standards.

Even playing 16 games last season he was easily the least effective he has been in his career. I watched Houston games (watson in dynasty league). JJ didn't take over games like he once did. He may still have effective uses, but he isn't as valuable as Z. I don't even want to give him $10 million a year, but if you cut Lowry for the cap and replace him with Watt, $8 million might make sense. Problem is he wants to be PAID. He has said as much. He wants to be paid like the best version of himself, which has been exactly ONE out of the last 5 seasons and that was back in 2018. I don't think that is a gamble I want to take. Gimme Lindsey and Cory Davis for just a little more money (JJ wants 15, they will get 20 combined max).

[bobblehead]

I'll add one little caveat to my point. There will be a LOT of bargains near the mid to late stages of FA this year. There simply isn't the money available to pay Allen Robinson, JuJu, Davis, Godwin and all the others. They all want to deal breaker contract. A few foolish GMs will hand them out.

I'll ask straight up. Do you want to maneuver the hell out of the cap to sign JJ and then watch Allen Robinson take a one year "wait for cap correction" deal for $12 million a year? Watch Trent Williams sign for something similar? How about when Leonard Williams gets forced to sign for $8 million one year deal in mid august? Joe Thuney ends up rostered for $7 million? Then will it have been worth it to sign JJ cuz he was born in wisconsin?

[bobblehead]

"owners and fans always think they are only ONE guy from winning it all" Jeff Lurie's wife.

Are we ONE guy away? Maybe. Last season that one guy was probably Bak being healthy. Maybe it was Jones not getting hurt coughing up the ball. Maybe it was simply trusting Dillon with a few carries in the 4th quarter.

We were close. JJ may or may not be the difference. So might Lindsey.

[Joemailman]

Out of the 3 big money guys (Jones, Linsley, Watt) they can likely only sign 1. Of the 3, I think Watt has the most potential for additional impact. You lose Jones you can replace him with Dillon. Different type of player but a stud nonetheless. You lose Linsley you can replace him with Jenkins and don't miss a thing. You sign Watt and he replaces Dean Lowry.

[GB-Brandon]

Big guys on the DL take.time. Gary took a year and a half, Clark two and a half. Mon has been ascending slowly since he got here. His arrow.is pointing up and he's worth a cheap deal.

5 years? You simply can’t waste roster spots for 5 years as a practice with minimal production and compete in this league. Unless you have Aaron Rodgers of course and he covers many of these bad practices up. This will become “Extremely Clear” for many after the Rodgers Era.

[GB-Brandon]

I'll add one little caveat to my point. There will be a LOT of bargains near the mid to late stages of FA this year. There simply isn't the money available to pay Allen Robinson, JuJu, Davis, Godwin and all the others. They all want to deal breaker contract. A few foolish GMs will hand them out.

I'll ask straight up. Do you want to maneuver the hell out of the cap to sign JJ and then watch Allen Robinson take a one year "wait for cap correction" deal for $12 million a year? Watch Trent Williams sign for something similar? How about when Leonard Williams gets forced to sign for $8 million one year deal in mid august? Joe Thuney ends up rostered for $7 million? Then will it have been worth it to sign JJ cuz he was born in wisconsin?

I want “The No.2” over Watt if it comes down to it. Watt isn’t even that liked by many players when at Houston or around the league.

[GB-Brandon]

Out of the 3 big money guys (Jones, Linsley, Watt) they can likely only sign 1. Of the 3, I think Watt has the most potential for additional impact. You lose Jones you can replace him with Dillon. Different type of player but a stud nonetheless. You lose Linsley you can replace him with Jenkins and don't miss a thing. You sign Watt and he replaces Dean Lowry.

If they franchise Tag Jones at 8 million they can do more.

[GB-Brandon]

"owners and fans always think they are only ONE guy from winning it all" Jeff Lurie's wife.

Are we ONE guy away? Maybe. Last season that one guy was probably Bak being healthy. Maybe it was Jones not getting hurt coughing up the ball. Maybe it was simply trusting Dillon with a few carries in the 4th quarter.

We were close. JJ may or may not be the difference. So might Lindsey.

Fine and Dandy but improving moving forward would make sense that the two biggest “Bang For Your Buck Moves” would be increasing talent and production level at No.2 receiver or at DT. These two moves each improve the position groups the most with a “Game Changing Player” based on our overall build up and current make up

[GB-Brandon]

I'll add one little caveat to my point. There will be a LOT of bargains near the mid to late stages of FA this year. There simply isn't the money available to pay Allen Robinson, JuJu, Davis, Godwin and all the others. They all want to deal breaker contract. A few foolish GMs will hand them out.

I'll ask straight up. Do you want to maneuver the hell out of the cap to sign JJ and then watch Allen Robinson take a one year "wait for cap correction" deal for $12 million a year? Watch Trent Williams sign for something similar? How about when Leonard Williams gets forced to sign for $8 million one year deal in mid august? Joe Thuney ends up rostered for $7 million? Then will it have been worth it to sign JJ cuz he was born in wisconsin?

Also, you keep bringing up how the Packers “Should Navigate through Free Agency turning over bad Players/Contracts and getting in High Value players on 1 years deals or contracts that are only really guaranteed 1 year”

You mean like Bill Belichick does? Com’on Man!! We both know the Packers aren’t gonna do this!!! Hahahahah!!!!