RON WOLF------Admitted Biggest Mistake ?????

[run pMc]

I think Gute's had some head-scratching moments, but that hardly makes him unique. TT was famous for it, and Wolf had his moments. I do think Gute > Sherman as GM.

The FA contracts to the Smiths, Turner & Amos were pricey, but that's what happens when you're a 6 win team and you sign another team's players. FA is inherently overpriced. Z has lived up to it so far, surprisingly, and Amos and Turner aren't bad either. Preston has a chance to bounce back.
I would argue the cap shrinking has hurt GB more than these signings, but they certainly don't help.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The signings are about as good as you can expect. The bust rate on FAs is high. None of these guys were complete misses. I’d say hiring Rhodes over Reid was a pretty big mistake by Wolf. MLF was a good hire by Gute.

[Fritz]

I ain’t sure where you simple-minded, outdoorsy, hill folks do your research, but us sophisticated city rats, we get our facts from this artificial intelligence app called askJeeves.

Facts check, according to Jeeves:

Hillenmeyer was a proud member of the 2003 draft class, not the 2004 class in which ole Carroll was a part of.

Joey Thomas was a 3rd rounder, not 2nd.

The 2004 Carroll draft also include Scott Wells and Corey Williams. Wells was a solid starter for the Pack for many a-years. Williams, a 6th rounder, was good enough to net the Majestic Polar Bear a 2, which the Polar Bear used on the great Brian Brohm.

Yes, Joey Thomas was a third rounder. Picked two spots before Green Bay's other third round pick, the mighty Donnell Washington, twelve picks before the immortal third member of that third-round trio, BJ Sander.

Ahmad "Grabby Smurf" Carroll was the 25th overall pick in that draft.Three years in Green Bay, three interceptions, and three-hundred grabbing-the-receiver penalties.

And yes, Hillenmeyer was the year before that. The shrewd talent evaluator that Sherman was, he picked up Hillenmeyer in the fifth round. Unfortunately, Sherman's coach in that same year - the year Hillenmeyer was picked - cut Hillenmeyer, who went on to become a seven-year starter for the Bears.

In his three drafts, Sherman picked up five good players - Walker, Kampman, Hillenmeyer, Barnett, and Wells. His coach cut one of them - Hillenmeyer - in training camp. That leaves Sherman with four good or decent starters in three drafts. Ouch.

He did, though, also draft the mighty Najeh "Laundry Basket" Davenport, and sign pass-rushing monster Joe Johnson while re-signing that key cog, Cletidus Hunt.

That's Bob Quinn level GM-ing right there.

[Bretsky]

Who gets the credit or blame for Joe Barry ? Genuinely curious. Does that fall back to Gooters or MLF ? I defended the decision at the time, and I'll still fall back to HW's often mojo of let's give it time. But the more I read/research...the less I honestly like that hire.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Who gets the credit or blame for Joe Barry ? Genuinely curious. Does that fall back to Gooters or MLF ? I defended the decision at the time, and I'll still fall back to HW's often mojo of let's give it time. But the more I read/research...the less I honestly like that hire.

He had some bad situations. I thought I read where those defenses performed worse in the year before and after Barry was there.

[Guiness]

Letting Vonnie Holliday go was odd. I don't recall the circumstances but iirc, Holliday had a good, productive career after the Packers.

A cap decision I believe, it came down to a choice between him and Cletius Hunt. Obviously the wrong decision was made as he went on to play 15 seasons and Hunt last 2 years with the team after Holliday was gone. I remember marveling that he was still around 10 years after he left the Pack

[Joemailman]

A cap decision I believe, it came down to a choice between him and Cletius Hunt. Obviously the wrong decision was made as he went on to play 15 seasons and Hunt last 2 years with the team after Holliday was gone. I remember marveling that he was still around 10 years after he left the Pack

I remember a little more. They had tried to work out an extension with Holliday in the summer of 2002 but couldn't come to an agreement. Then that season, Hunt had a very good year, the best of his career, while Holliday had an injury-plagued year. Due to cap reasons, they could only afford to sign one of them, and went with the younger, seemingly up and coming player. Seemed like a reasonable decision at the time. Until Hunt showed up at training camp woefully out of shape.

[Upnorth]

He had some bad situations. I thought I read where those defenses performed worse in the year before and after Barry was there.

Looking at dvoa so do with it what you will. Listing year before and after and years as def coodrdinator.
Year. Total dvoa. Pass dvoa. Rush dvoa
Det
2006. 25th. 26th. 23
2007. 30. 26. 29
2008. 31. 31. 32
2009. 30. 31. 16
Was
2014. 28. 32. 8
2015. 21. 20. 20
2016. 25. 23. 24
2017. 12. 7. 31

So fairly underwhelming but no real pattern shown beyond not good.
Def show is generally more variable year to year than o dvoa
I do not think Barry will improve our d.

I don't know how to break down his lb coaching with rams from 2017-2020 beyond looking at the pass vrs rush dvoa and crediting the rush more to lb play, however that has some obvious huge flaws. In each year with rams the rush dvoa was worse and in three years substantially so.

I can't shake the historical badness of the det years. I do not like this hire and think it has potential to end our run. It is gutes single worst decision by a mile imo.

[run pMc]

I can't shake the historical badness of the det years. I do not like this hire and think it has potential to end our run. It is gutes single worst decision by a mile imo.

His record is deeply concerning, but I thought MLF hired Barry, not Gute. I thought it was the HC's decision on who to hire, otherwise the GM might force an unwanted coach onto your team.

There are plenty of decisions that could be Gute's worst -- it feels pretty premature to call this "the single worst decision by a miile" when there hasn't even been a minicamp yet, and we have other candidates like signing Jimmy Graham, drafting Oren Burks, etc. Also -- this year's draft hasn't happened yet, and he is playing a tricky game with Rodgers and his contract.