Who Should Gutey Draft At #29?

[Zool]

How true that is.

I will say though that I don't think he's attending all the top corners' pro days as a smokescreen. I wonder if he's going to target two or three as a top tier likely available when they pick, and see how it shakes out - do whatever he has to to get one of them. Seems his M.O.

Unless it is a smokescreen, and he was really going to look at some nobody at some other position that he'll draft in the sixth round...

It could also be that they split out the positional scouting among different members, and he happens to have CB as his focus.

[RashanGary]

It could also be that they split out the positional scouting among different members, and he happens to have CB as his focus.

Don't bring these possibilities to the table. We're trying to connect perfect puzzle pieces so we can predict the future and no matter how horrible we are at it, we like our damn puzzle.

But good point. Never thought of that.

[Joemailman]

Gute said he'd be on the road more this year than in previous years as GM due to here being no combine. I suspect he wants to get an up close look at those players he's considering in the early rounds.

[Sparkey]

CB and OT are the biggest long term needs. The big question is how the draft falls in relation to their board.

[Joemailman]

CB and OT are the biggest long term needs. The big question is how the draft falls in relation to their board.

He won't reach to fill a need. But he might trade up to fill a need as he did with Alexander and Savage.

[RashanGary]

He won't reach to fill a need. But he might trade up to fill a need as he did with Alexander and Savage.

I agree with this. Id sort of hate to trade up. We have a lot of needs.

[wist43]

Of the guys on your list...

I liked Kwity Paye the most so far.

Think Barmore will be gone by #29.

Didn't like Perkins... too stiff, not a natural bender.

And Bolton was okay, but too pedestrian for the 29th pick.

Still looking... just started.

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[QUOTE=RashanGary;1088598. Never know how this shit will shake out. One thing is certain, it’s not going to go the way we want or expect. That much we can count on every year.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely, that's why I try to not even get excited about anyone anymore

[Sparkey]

I don't think any of the dline prospects are worthy of a 1st round pick. Barmore might have all the requisite skills, but he lacks urgency.

The only guy that really interests me is Alim McNeil at the end of the 2nd. GB is pretty much stuck with the same shit as last year along the dline.

[RashanGary]

Of the guys on your list...

I liked Kwity Paye the most so far.

Think Barmore will be gone by #29.

Didn't like Perkins... too stiff, not a natural bender.

And Bolton was okay, but too pedestrian for the 29th pick.

Still looking... just started.

They show every snap of the Alabama ole miss game and circle barmore at the snap. His pass rush is impressive. But he gets flat out moved around in the run game. I could see him lasting till the 2nd round. Jeffrey Simmons a couple years ago dug down and held his ground snap in and snap out of complete games. Barmore gets moved at will in the run game.

Where it gets hard to protect is some guy's bodies are late bloomers. They just start to reach their prime at age 23, 24, 25 and keep getting better in the NFL. Other guys are physically maxed at age 20 and might look better in college but don't improve in the NFL.

Physical development, mental and emotional make up, scheme in college, etc..... There are so many variables, some nearly impossible.to measure. Every GM is garbage because they all fail at drafting the right player 80% of the time.

[RashanGary]

And Barmores pass rush is reckless, he moved gaps to get where he's going. Jeffrey Simmons could.hold his gap and still win a rush lane disciplined pass rush (something needed to succeed with mobile NFL QB's. I just don't see Barmore as a great NFL prospect. You're hoping for a lot of growth. Simmons came on on day 1 and was good for Tennessee, even coming off the knee injury.

[bobblehead]

We really need all five spots in my opinion. And this is a pretty good draft for all five (DL is floating under the radar because it's weak at tpp).

Our needs are DL, OT, CB then LB & WR. Of course, an impact DL is always the hardest spot to fill when you draft low. I have two or three I like with Barmore at top now.

TT had a knack for drafting seniors along the DL. He always figured that it took time to develop those big bodies so it was easier to know what you were getting. He did pretty well with that method, but his best DL pick of all was Clark who was young when we grabbed him.

My honest prediction taking "its gutes" into consideration is that we trade up and take a corner who isn't on our radar. His track record is solid with Jaire, so I won't scream too loud when it happens.

[bobblehead]

Zaven Collins at 260 jumped 35” and ran 4.67 (let’s call it 4.7)

So he’s about the same speed as Krys Barnes and Blake Martinez but 20 pounds heavier. He’s a really high end athlete. And the write up is that he’s really natural in coverage and an overall playmaker on defense.

We could definitely afford to have Zaven Collins mixed into our defense. He would probably move to OLB in some of the sub defense so you could still get away with playing Barnes on every down.

I’m a fan of Zaven Collins. It would require some creativity from the defensive staff to really get him on the field and best utilize the talent on our current team, but having two legit ILBs would make some of our bigger packages much more effective while also improving some of our sub packages.

Collins was an early favorite of mine. He is really versatile and can stay on the field. I was hoping he would be closer to 4.6 flat. Of course, ILB is sort of line RB. You need to have a feel and vision to run stuff. If you run a 4.1 but are a step slow to react your speed won't save you. The good ones see the play develop and scrape the line to fill he hole.

[bobblehead]

CB and OT are the biggest long term needs. The big question is how the draft falls in relation to their board.

DL and ILB are bigger needs. We could re sign taylor and roll with the OL we have and be OK. I want to be great in the trenches though.

[RashanGary]

Collins was an early favorite of mine. He is really versatile and can stay on the field. I was hoping he would be closer to 4.6 flat. Of course, ILB is sort of line RB. You need to have a feel and vision to run stuff. If you run a 4.1 but are a step slow to react your speed won't save you. The good ones see the play develop and scrape the line to fill he hole.

At his size, that's a really good 40. Even at about 240, you're trying to get guys to run about a 4.65. He did it at twenty pounds heavier. He's a first round athlete. Just gotta have tape to match and he's supposed to.