AR wants out?!

[Jaire]

Brandt has cleared up what Gute has been offering: NOTHING "beyond" this year. And Brandt has been playing the mouthpiece for the FO. It's "bad communication." No. It's a completely unaccountable GM & pres who at least to my satisfaction has shown that he has no clue: he's drafted enough for me to see that he doesn't know how to uses the draft.

Any owner in the NFL would have fired Gute for what he is now doing. He is risking the franchise right now. Cuz it will cause an exodus of players especially if Love flops. It puts MLF in an impossible spot too.

[bobblehead]

Brandt has cleared up what Gute has been offering: NOTHING "beyond" this year. And Brandt has been playing the mouthpiece for the FO. It's "bad communication." No. It's a completely unaccountable GM & pres who at least to my satisfaction has shown that he has no clue: he's drafted enough for me to see that he doesn't know how to uses the draft.

Any owner in the NFL would have fired Gute for what he is now doing. He is risking the franchise right now. Cuz it will cause an exodus of players especially if Love flops. It puts MLF in an impossible spot too.

13-3, NFCC game. 13-3, NFCC game.

[Packers4Glory]

League & team sources. Not rodgers friend. Typically if it was on a players side as a source it reads “someone close to rodgers”. Teams in the league talked & he then followed up with sources inside the team & got confirmation. If it’splayers sourced, it reads “a player” or “teammate” “former teammate” ect.

Rodgers is now letting his friends leak what he wants & wanted. Did he make fun of Gute? I believe me did. Krauss got shit but he also got lost in his own ego a the end & blew that team up too soon because he thought he could build another championship without MJ & Pippen. If you weren’t a bulls fan you just don’t know.

[RashanGary]

I thought 2022 when Love was drafted, but Rodgers MVP year pushed that back another year for me. If they don't trade him, give him a contract that guarantees that he won't be kicked to the curb before 2023. I suspect that's what Gute has been offering.

I always thought 2024. It gives Love the 5th year option to play under. The pick was a year too early. But if they Love, Love and hes a HOfer, its still worth it. I never thought they were in a hurry to rush 12 out, just couldn't pass up on an elite prospect at that position and figured they could get Rodgers to 40 and then get that 5th year of love plus injury time.

[Bretsky]

Unless Love turns into a HOF'er in today's market where QB's are NFL ready much sooner having Love start on 5th year would support my view that it was a bad pick IMO.

[Joemailman]

If Rodgers gets the extension he wants, Love will be here through 2022 and then traded. Hopefully by then he'll have shown enough in preseason games or starts where Rodgers is hurt that he'll have some market value. They're not going to make Love sit on the bench for 4 or 5 years as Rodger' sidekick. It wouldn't be fair. It would be the same as 2008. The Packers were pressuring Favre to make a decision early in 2008 on whether he would play because they knew they really couldn't make Rodgers sit any more. He was ready to start. Guys have a right to pursue their career.

If Rodgers gets the extension he wants, the only way I see Love becoming the Packers starting QB is if Rodgers suffers a career-altering injury.

[run pMc]

I always thought 2024. It gives Love the 5th year option to play under. The pick was a year too early. But if they Love, Love and hes a HOfer, its still worth it. I never thought they were in a hurry to rush 12 out, just couldn't pass up on an elite prospect at that position and figured they could get Rodgers to 40 and then get that 5th year of love plus injury time.

Do you realize what the 5th year option on a QB is? That's a lot of money to pay for a QB with little-to-no pro experience. The 5th year at best locks them in that year and gives you a chance to work out an extension that can be cap-friendly long-term, but you better know what you're getting.
Also -- IF Rodgers somehow comes back with an extension, next year Love's camp is going to be asking mgmt when/where he's going to play and likely demand a trade.

I'm highly skeptical Love sits on the bench for GB until 2024.

[Fritz]

Rodgers says, through Kuhn, he wants to be a Packer and doesn't want to get blown up on like Montana and Favre and others. Fits perfectly with the situation and with Rodgers the person. Consistent.

Gute says they're talking contract, and wants Rodgers for the foreseeable future.

I could see a new contract with a 2024 out as the middle ground. That gives us one year of Love on his 5th year option if he's tearing it up and looks like a great player.

How do you know this? Did Kuhn say that Rodgers told him all this? Or are these the opinions of a guy who played with Rodgers like five years ago and is basing his opinions on his interactions with Rodgers back in the day?

As for those of you who think Love would be a "wasted" pick if he sits behind Rodgers for three years and then is traded (even for something like a fifth round pick), it is only wasted if Love is a poor backup, ala Brett Hundley. If he's a good backup QB for Rodgers, then you got a few seasons of a guy who can come in and win some games when your superstar goes down. Not ideal as far as what you want from a late-first round pick, but that happens often - not just to QB's who get drafted there. Datone Jones, Derrick Sherrod, etc, etc.

If he's a really good prospect and they can trade him in three years for a late first round or second round pick, great. If they get a backup-QB type of pick, like a fifth or sixth rounder, well, okay. Not great but okay. But you took a shot, just like you do with any player.

And who's to say Rodgers won't get hurt seriously enough that Love becomes the starter? People seem to be discounting that possibility, but it's real enough. At that point, we'd see what the team has with the guy.

[ThunderDan]

Unless Love turns into a HOF'er in today's market where QB's are NFL ready much sooner having Love start on 5th year would support my view that it was a bad pick IMO.

Did you say ARod was a "bad pick" when he sat on the bench for 3 years and would have for a 4th if BF hadn't retired after 2007?

[Packers4Glory]

How do you know this? Did Kuhn say that Rodgers told him all this? Or are these the opinions of a guy who played with Rodgers like five years ago and is basing his opinions on his interactions with Rodgers back in the day?

As for those of you who think Love would be a "wasted" pick if he sits behind Rodgers for three years and then is traded (even for something like a fifth round pick), it is only wasted if Love is a poor backup, ala Brett Hundley. If he's a good backup QB for Rodgers, then you got a few seasons of a guy who can come in and win some games when your superstar goes down. Not ideal as far as what you want from a late-first round pick, but that happens often - not just to QB's who get drafted there. Datone Jones, Derrick Sherrod, etc, etc.

If he's a really good prospect and they can trade him in three years for a late first round or second round pick, great. If they get a backup-QB type of pick, like a fifth or sixth rounder, well, okay. Not great but okay. But you took a shot, just like you do with any player.

And who's to say Rodgers won't get hurt seriously enough that Love becomes the starter? People seem to be discounting that possibility, but it's real enough. At that point, we'd see what the team has with the guy.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10002141-aaron-rodgers-conflicted-about-packers-future-amid-trade-rumors-john-kuhn-says

John Kuhn, who was teammates with Rodgers for nine years on the Packers, said he recently spoke with the three-time MVP during an interview with Zach Gelb of CBS Sports Radio (h/t Curtis Crabtree of Pro Football Talk).

Kuhn also explained he believes Rodgers wants to secure his future with the Packers:

"He has a little bit of leverage here in this situation and I think that’s going to put the Green Bay Packers in a tough spot. Ultimately, at the end of the day, I truly believe Aaron wants to come back to Green Bay, but he doesn’t want to do it on a lame-duck contract which, even though there’s three years on his contract if you really look at the terms of it, it pretty much sets up for a clean break at the end of the 2021 season for the Packers...considering that Jordan Love is on a rookie salary. So I think that he wants more insurance that he’s going to be a long-term starting quarterback option for the Green Bay Packers and that I believe is something that would intrigue him to make amends with the team and come back to this season."

[Packers4Glory]

Did you say ARod was a "bad pick" when he sat on the bench for 3 years and would have for a 4th if BF hadn't retired after 2007?

stop comparing this with Favre. Favre was wishy washy on his own future. GB had no choice but to seriously consider that he could retire any moment. He wasn't even sure leading up to the drafts if he was back or not. Rodgers has held steadfast in his plans for his career. Completely different situations. Love was a bad pick no matter what happens because they moved up and lost a 4th round pick to draft a back up on a team a win away from a title. And despite the narrative that Rogers was on the down side, he actually had played extremely well considering the weapons he had. There's a reason he had so many throw aways the previous years. nobody not named Adams could get open. 2018 was due to equal parts lack of WR talent and part predictable MM offense. 2019 equal parts due to the same lack of WR talent and a new offense. That's just not the pick you make when. you're a legit SB contender. you either add to the front 7 on defense or grab one of several WR's to help. either pick likely helps you in 2020 and certainly more in 2021.

To make matters worse, consider the frick'n bears, vikings, and 49ers managed to reach out to their QB in this draft to tell them about drafting a QB.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I always thought 2024. It gives Love the 5th year option to play under. The pick was a year too early. But if they Love, Love and hes a HOfer, its still worth it. I never thought they were in a hurry to rush 12 out, just couldn't pass up on an elite prospect at that position and figured they could get Rodgers to 40 and then get that 5th year of love plus injury time.

There's no way that's what they thought initially. You don't draft a guy intending him to sit for four years. Plus, the 5th year option is expensive. You have to know what you have by the 4th year, so you know if the player is worth the extension. 2023 would have been the furthest out they were thinking. Rodgers looked like a player on the decline. Turns out it was more about Rodgers mental focus. He had checked out at the end of the McCarthy era and hadn't fully embraced MLF. There was always a chance though that Rodgers would continue to play well and you keep him--just like Brady and New England with Jimmy G. If that happens, you have a good backup for several years and you hope the young guy plays enough (and well enough) that you can recoup some of the draft capital.

[Packers4Glory]

It was always 2022 with a worst case of 2023 if things didn't go as they expected. That's why we also drafted Dillon and the crappy ass TE in the 3rd. It was all for 2022.

[Upnorth]

The reason they drafted love was he had been in a decline for the previous 4 years (one of which had a substantial injury). Each year he looked worse and missed more open receivers. They get a new system he had a full year to heal and then has the worst year of his career. Then they drafted a qb to develop over the next few years.
Then he becomes an MVP. If he had stayed at the same level of play or even just gotten a touch better then love still looks like a good pick. We arr adjusting our past perspective because of the MVP year that no one saw coming.
Its like the cancel culture, you said something fine in the 90's that is inappropriate by todays standards and now you are demonized.

[call_me_ishmael]

I always thought 2024. It gives Love the 5th year option to play under. The pick was a year too early. But if they Love, Love and hes a HOfer, its still worth it. I never thought they were in a hurry to rush 12 out, just couldn't pass up on an elite prospect at that position and figured they could get Rodgers to 40 and then get that 5th year of love plus injury time.

Elite prospect? LOL boy you have been drinking too much wine bruh. Jordan Love is not an elite prospect of a quarterback. He was the 5th best QB prospect in a shitty QB year. Every year there are 4-6 guys better than him.

I don't really think anyone picked outside of the top 5 is ever considered an elite prospect personally. Andy Luck is an elite QB prospect and they come around once every ten years. Jordan Love is a tier 4 QB prospect IMO. Tier one being the once-a-decade player, tier two being the #1 pick on a typical year, tier three being the 3-4 guys picked in the top 10 and tier four being a fringe first rounded, generally the 5th or 6th QB drafted each year.