AR wants out?!

[ThunderDan]

stop comparing this with Favre. Favre was wishy washy on his own future. GB had no choice but to seriously consider that he could retire any moment. He wasn't even sure leading up to the drafts if he was back or not. Rodgers has held steadfast in his plans for his career. Completely different situations. Love was a bad pick no matter what happens because they moved up and lost a 4th round pick to draft a back up on a team a win away from a title. And despite the narrative that Rogers was on the down side, he actually had played extremely well considering the weapons he had. There's a reason he had so many throw aways the previous years. nobody not named Adams could get open. 2018 was due to equal parts lack of WR talent and part predictable MM offense. 2019 equal parts due to the same lack of WR talent and a new offense. That's just not the pick you make when. you're a legit SB contender. you either add to the front 7 on defense or grab one of several WR's to help. either pick likely helps you in 2020 and certainly more in 2021.

To make matters worse, consider the frick'n bears, vikings, and 49ers managed to reach out to their QB in this draft to tell them about drafting a QB.

I am talking about it being a "bad pick" because a player sits on the bench. I am not comparing the current situation with the BF situation.

Just stop being an asshole to everyone. Stop feeling like everyone is personal out to get you. It is OK to have different perspectives on the same event.

[call_me_ishmael]

If Rodgers gets the extension he wants, Love will be here through 2022 and then traded. Hopefully by then he'll have shown enough in preseason games or starts where Rodgers is hurt that he'll have some market value. They're not going to make Love sit on the bench for 4 or 5 years as Rodger' sidekick. It wouldn't be fair. It would be the same as 2008. The Packers were pressuring Favre to make a decision early in 2008 on whether he would play because they knew they really couldn't make Rodgers sit any more. He was ready to start. Guys have a right to pursue their career.

If Rodgers gets the extension he wants, the only way I see Love becoming the Packers starting QB is if Rodgers suffers a career-altering injury.

Are signing bonuses tradeable or would the Pack be on the hook for all of the bonus money they put in an extension? Andy Brandt mentioned signing him to either all cash this year, or a longer deal with a bonus and trading it with Rodgers. Not sure the latter is a thing though.

[Joemailman]

It was always 2022 with a worst case of 2023 if things didn't go as they expected. That's why we also drafted Dillon and the crappy ass TE in the 3rd. It was all for 2022.

No. They drafted Dillon because they knew there was a good chance they would lose both Jones and Williams in free agency. They lost Williams. They probably would have lost Jones if he had sough top dollar. DeGuara was perfect fit for MLF's offense. He would have gotten significant playing time in 2020 if he hadn't torn his ACL.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I've been hard on Rodgers, but I will say, for me, this comes down to how much commitment is each side offering/seeking. To me, a two year commitment seems fair. The Packers have to have some kind of an out for a 38-year-old QB--especially with Love waiting in the wings. I think it's fair to Rodgers for Gute to commit to two years. If Gute isn't offering more than a one year commitment, then I can see Rodgers side of the story. If Gute is offering a two year commitment but Rodgers wants more, then I can see Gute's side of the story. I think two years is the sweet spot. If Rodgers continues playing at an MVP level, the rest will take of itself.

[sharpe1027]

Rodgers can want 20 years commitment, that's his prerogative. Doesn't mean the Packers' organization should agree. They both need to determine whether they are willing to part ways over their respective preferences on this and other disagreements. We'll see if one side blinks, but we should be prepared for a messy divorce.

[Spaulding]

One of the better articles on the Packer-Rodgers drama from Wisconsin writer Demovsky presenting both sides:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31389204/aaron-rodgers-packers-standoff-how-make-amends-split-mean

[RashanGary]

I am talking about it being a "bad pick" because a player sits on the bench. I am not comparing the current situation with the BF situation.

Just stop being an asshole to everyone. Stop feeling like everyone is personal out to get you. It is OK to have different perspectives on the same event.

He has two talking points

1 Rodgers wasn't contemplating retirement

And

2 they gave up a 4th round pick, which is over the top price for a quarterback


He fits those two talking points into every conversation like it's proof Love was a wasted pick. 12 will probably be injured in the next couple years. We’ll see if Love keeps us in it.

[RashanGary]

Elite prospect? LOL boy you have been drinking too much wine bruh. Jordan Love is not an elite prospect of a quarterback. He was the 5th best QB prospect in a shitty QB year. Every year there are 4-6 guys better than him.

I don't really think anyone picked outside of the top 5 is ever considered an elite prospect personally. Andy Luck is an elite QB prospect and they come around once every ten years. Jordan Love is a tier 4 QB prospect IMO. Tier one being the once-a-decade player, tier two being the #1 pick on a typical year, tier three being the 3-4 guys picked in the top 10 and tier four being a fringe first rounded, generally the 5th or 6th QB drafted each year.

Mahommes, Watson and Lamar would like a word. There are elite prospects taken later than pick #1. Not everyone views a prospect the same.

[RashanGary]

I've been hard on Rodgers, but I will say, for me, this comes down to how much commitment is each side offering/seeking. To me, a two year commitment seems fair. The Packers have to have some kind of an out for a 38-year-old QB--especially with Love waiting in the wings. I think it's fair to Rodgers for Gute to commit to two years. If Gute isn't offering more than a one year commitment, then I can see Rodgers side of the story. If Gute is offering a two year commitment but Rodgers wants more, then I can see Gute's side of the story. I think two years is the sweet spot. If Rodgers continues playing at an MVP level, the rest will take of itself.

Two years makes sense. Three is a worst case sinerio because you still have that 5th year option. They're probably hashing that out right now.

[call_me_ishmael]

I've been hard on Rodgers, but I will say, for me, this comes down to how much commitment is each side offering/seeking. To me, a two year commitment seems fair. The Packers have to have some kind of an out for a 38-year-old QB--especially with Love waiting in the wings. I think it's fair to Rodgers for Gute to commit to two years. If Gute isn't offering more than a one year commitment, then I can see Rodgers side of the story. If Gute is offering a two year commitment but Rodgers wants more, then I can see Gute's side of the story. I think two years is the sweet spot. If Rodgers continues playing at an MVP level, the rest will take of itself.

I bet he'd be open to 2 years of guaranteed money with additional non-guaranteed years after if they traded love
3+ if they don't.

The reason being is I think he intends to play more than 2 more years. I don't think he ever wants to get pushed aside for the Love machine.

Just my uninformed opinion obviously.

[call_me_ishmael]

Mahommes, Watson and Lamar would like a word. There are elite prospects taken later than pick #1. Not everyone views a prospect the same.

Mahomes went 10. Watson went 12. Lamar was not an elite prospect and arguably Mahomes and Watson weren't either. Mahomes and Watson were tier 3 IMO and both have outdone themselves obviously.

I was #1 on the Watson wagon, but IMO he wasn't without questions. He was surrounded by elite, roided talent, and he doesn't have an elite arm or size or speed. Really he doesn't check a lot of boxes on paper but he sure wins.

[Joemailman]

Zach Kruse
@zachkruse2
James Jones on NFL Network just now: "I speak with Aaron all the time. It has nothing to do with getting the GM fired. It has nothing to do with a new contract and getting money...I think it's fixable."

Well if it's not about getting the GM fired, and it's not about a new contract, what is it about? I think it's about the contract.

[Packers4Glory]

No. They drafted Dillon because they knew there was a good chance they would lose both Jones and Williams in free agency. They lost Williams. They probably would have lost Jones if he had sough top dollar. DeGuara was perfect fit for MLF's offense. He would have gotten significant playing time in 2020 if he hadn't torn his ACL.

They held the cards on Jones. They could have tagged him if they couldn't work out a deal. Which with running backs that may be the better route to go when you get to this point instead of resigning them to a longer deal.

Don't get me wrong. I like Dillon. I just think the pick only made sense if they were going to let Jones walk. They could have used that money elsewhere to shore up some spots or put it towards Lindsley. IDK. O line is going to make a big difference in making or breaking Love when/If he's handed the keys to the offense.

The TE was a complete waste of a pick. He wasn't going to make any impact healthy or not last year. They had to reach for him because at best he was a 4th round guy, which most I think had him 5th or later.

[Sparkey]

Elite prospect? LOL boy you have been drinking too much wine bruh. Jordan Love is not an elite prospect of a quarterback. He was the 5th best QB prospect in a shitty QB year. Every year there are 4-6 guys better than him.

I don't really think anyone picked outside of the top 5 is ever considered an elite prospect personally. Andy Luck is an elite QB prospect and they come around once every ten years. Jordan Love is a tier 4 QB prospect IMO. Tier one being the once-a-decade player, tier two being the #1 pick on a typical year, tier three being the 3-4 guys picked in the top 10 and tier four being a fringe first rounded, generally the 5th or 6th QB drafted each year.

By that definition, Rodgers was not an elite level prospect.

[RashanGary]

Mahomes went 10. Watson went 12. Lamar was not an elite prospect and arguably Mahomes and Watson weren't either. Mahomes and Watson were tier 3 IMO and both have outdone themselves obviously.

I was #1 on the Watson wagon, but IMO he wasn't without questions. He was surrounded by elite, roided talent, and he doesn't have an elite arm or size or speed. Really he doesn't check a lot of boxes on paper but he sure wins.

Draft position doesn’t equal nfl success. KC moved up for Mahommes even tho he was the third QB taken. Bears moved up for Trubisky to #2 and failed. It’s how right you are about the player. I think the Packers think they’re right about Love.