AR wants out?!

[Badgerinmaine]

Silverstein has had a negative personal take about Aaron Rodgers as long as I can remember. It seems personal for him. In other ways he's a good reporter, but I find it very hard to take anything he says about Rodgers at face value.

[King Friday]

Yeah it’s interesting the packers are trotting everyone out in front of the camera to talk. Meanwhile Rodgers hasn’t addressed it yet.

Because as I pointed out...it makes him look like a huge asshole and whiner. Matt Stafford went through hell in Detroit for years. Did you hear a peep out of him? What about any QB in the Bears organization?

The Packers aren't trotting everyone out to the cameras, you moron. It is a requirement of the draft proceedings...which is precisely why the Rodgers camp leaked this. He knew they would be forced to all have to stand in front of a camera and get a dozen questions about this.

[sharpe1027]

I used to say that the front office is happy with the status quo and will never do what it takes to win. Many here would comment how they were doing plenty and that making the playoffs each season was enough. Yeah how's that going?

So tired of this narrative. So unimaginative. So black and white, as if any move with a longer horizon than one year means they don't want to win now.

Do I want them to win a superbowl, yes. Does the fact that they didn't win it mean they could have done something better, yes, every year.

Do I think making the playoffs is enough? What the hell does that even mean? They could lose every game and I'd still be a fan, so that's enough in some sense.

Here's the important part, do I want to burn the house down and start with an new organization, top to bottom, because they didn't win a superbowl? No. We're not there yet and it would set us back enough that we'd almost for sure not win it all before Rodgers gets too old.

Anyway, if people think overhauling the front office is a path to immediate success, I want some of what they are smoking. We'd be hiring someone that failed somewhere else, or someone with less experience. No thanks. Maybe in a few years.

[Upnorth]

Two straight NFC title games perhaps?

Great perspective from a non spoiled fan.

[run pMc]

Great perspective from a non spoiled fan.

Agree. As I've said elsewhere, many fans -- and organizations -- would be thrilled to make the NFCCG two years in a row... or 4 times since 2014. Ask the Lions, Bengals or the Browns.

Hey Rastak -- is Kirk Cousins putting up a stink since the Vikes drafted Kellen Mond? How many fingers of scotch did he pour?

[Packers4Glory]

Because as I pointed out...it makes him look like a huge asshole and whiner. Matt Stafford went through hell in Detroit for years. Did you hear a peep out of him? What about any QB in the Bears organization?

The Packers aren't trotting everyone out to the cameras, you moron. It is a requirement of the draft proceedings...which is precisely why the Rodgers camp leaked this. He knew they would be forced to all have to stand in front of a camera and get a dozen questions about this.

i'm sorry dipshit. I didn't realize the Lions were super bowl contenders at any real point. how many 1st round talents did they provide Stafford with during his career? I honestly don't know. I do know they were never super bowl contenders, nor did they draft his replacement and not even give him a heads up they were about to do it.

[Packers4Glory]

Agree. As I've said elsewhere, many fans -- and organizations -- would be thrilled to make the NFCCG two years in a row... or 4 times since 2014. Ask the Lions, Bengals or the Browns.

Hey Rastak -- is Kirk Cousins putting up a stink since the Vikes drafted Kellen Mond? How many fingers of scotch did he pour?

don't be so obtuse. It wasn't even that they drafted him, it's not even having the leadership and smarts to give him a heads up. It's not the move you expect from a team 1 win from a SB and other needs to fill. lol wtf

Here's a perspective. Most teams don't have a player like Rodgers who by himself basically gives this team a change to win any game. GB doesn't sniff the NFC title without Rodgers unless you're putting maybe Mahomes there. Brady isn't getting there with this team and it's defense. lol The spoiled part is the QB play we've had since Favre took over and Then Aaron. 2 of the best to ever play the game and you can't figure out why Aaron is mad and how he should just STFU and take it. You will have a hard time convincing anyone but a dumb shit packer fan that anyone not name Mahomes could take this team to back to back title games. Because they have no clue about anything less than HOF QB play.

[Spaulding]

don't be so obtuse. It wasn't even that they drafted him, it's not even having the leadership and smarts to give him a heads up. It's not the move you expect from a team 1 win from a SB and other needs to fill. lol wtf

Here's a perspective. Most teams don't have a player like Rodgers who by himself basically gives this team a change to win any game. GB doesn't sniff the NFC title without Rodgers unless you're putting maybe Mahomes there. Brady isn't getting there with this team and it's defense. lol The spoiled part is the QB play we've had since Favre took over and Then Aaron. 2 of the best to ever play the game and you can't figure out why Aaron is mad and how he should just STFU and take it. You will have a hard time convincing anyone but a dumb shit packer fan that anyone not name Mahomes could take this team to back to back title games. Because they have no clue about anything less than HOF QB play.

I think you're missing the point. The Packers are an organization that's been around 100 years. QB's have come and gone, front offices have come and gone and many a hall of famer has graced the field for the green and gold.

How many bitched or dictated the organizations direction? We quickly found out in 2008 who were "Packer's" fans and who were "Favre" fans. It's fine to be a fan of a player but admit and own it and recognize that you're a player fan more-so than a team fan. It seems like some put the player above the team.

Also the posts about the front office having an ego are misguided. I remember all the posts about TT having an ego and he was about as far from having a ego as anybody that's every been in the Packer's organization. A quiet very private individual - how does that scream ego??

It's pretty simple really, a GM is rated on their ability to field competitive teams and see the whole picture. The coaches are there to manage the players and provide guidance, instruction and direction to the players and well the players are there to simply execute.

Why players feel the need or right to make personnel decisions seems to be a product of new entitled generation. I get wanting their voice to be heard but a GM is supplemented by the scouting organization and the rest of the front office. Gute might not have been the one to push for Love in the draft (then again maybe he did as ultimately it's his call) but if the board that he and the scouting staff has assembled has Love a top 10 pick and he's there at 26 he makes the tough decision to draft Love to better the team. Does that pick make the team better immediately? But his vision is long term and until this past year it was quite possible that Rodgers play was in decline or his age has made him more vulnerable to injury. Much of this same discussion occurred when we drafted Rodgers in 2005.

How does the selection of a QB in the first round suggest Gute has an ego? If you do months and months of work and build a board (right or wrong on it's rankings) - why would you deviate from it? Also why would Gute or TT have an ego when bottom line they are employed to make the Packers a winning team with the current players are well as future players. Whose to say that Gute didn't have several highly ranks WR's get taken before his draft position or his attempts to move up in those situations were too costly and thus the trade up didn't occur? We never know those details but again unless you're privy to what goes on behind closed doors it's all unfounded accusations.

You can argue that the front office doesn't know what they are doing (maybe you're right) but none of the picks would appear to suggest ego as the basis. Why "stick it" to your HOF QB when you're in the midst of competing for NFC titles?

Bonus question, even if you're the biggest fan of Aaron Rodgers, isn't he in some shape or form throwing his fellow teammates and fanbase under the bus in his requests for trade? We the fans didn't ask for Love nor did Rodgers teammates. Why doesn't the team simply strike for Aaron?

[sharpe1027]

A true sign you have a winning argument is calling others dipshits and dumb shits. Must really make you feel good about yourself.

[smuggler]

Spaulding, your post is so comprehensive and well-informed. Bravo!

I'm sure it will piss someone off.

[bobblehead]

don't be so obtuse. It wasn't even that they drafted him, it's not even having the leadership and smarts to give him a heads up. It's not the move you expect from a team 1 win from a SB and other needs to fill. lol wtf

Here's a perspective. Most teams don't have a player like Rodgers who by himself basically gives this team a change to win any game. GB doesn't sniff the NFC title without Rodgers unless you're putting maybe Mahomes there. Brady isn't getting there with this team and it's defense. lol The spoiled part is the QB play we've had since Favre took over and Then Aaron. 2 of the best to ever play the game and you can't figure out why Aaron is mad and how he should just STFU and take it. You will have a hard time convincing anyone but a dumb shit packer fan that anyone not name Mahomes could take this team to back to back title games. Because they have no clue about anything less than HOF QB play.

I'm just going to say this with the intent of hoping it gets through to you. When 6-7 people are telling you that you are wrong, basically nobody is really on your side, and you have gotten to the point where you are getting angry....its possible you are wrong. Take a step back. Try to step out of Aaron's shoes and into the GMs shoes for a second. See his perspective of team building. Its ok to conclude he shouldn't have drafted Love, most of us share that opinion, but the idea that the organization that MADE Rodgers a global superstar owes it to him to bend to his every will...well, just rationally for a second think of it from another angle.

It is possible everyone is wrong and you are right, but if the conversation hasn't exhausted you by now, you are way too emotional about it. Its also possible you are wrong and others might have a valid opinion. I say this as someone who enjoys this message board and doesn't want another offseason of Brandon. I also think you are capable of other, better posts that don't involve this topic.

[Badgerinmaine]

Bonus question, even if you're the biggest fan of Aaron Rodgers, isn't he in some shape or form throwing his fellow teammates and fanbase under the bus in his requests for trade?

Well, I would count myself a huge Rodgers fan, even now when I am disappointed with what he's done over the past week. But I keep going back to how I feel for the new Packers draft picks. This should be among the happiest days of their lives, but they've been totally upstaged. Someone like Amari Rodgers ought to be answering questions like "Won't it be awesome to have Aaron Rodgers passing to you?" or "What do you think you can learn from Davante Adams?" instead of "Have you heard about all the Aaron Rodgers controversy?" I'd rather see our new players starting out on a better foot than this.

[Packers4Glory]

I'm just going to say this with the intent of hoping it gets through to you. When 6-7 people are telling you that you are wrong, basically nobody is really on your side, and you have gotten to the point where you are getting angry....its possible you are wrong. Take a step back. Try to step out of Aaron's shoes and into the GMs shoes for a second. See his perspective of team building. Its ok to conclude he shouldn't have drafted Love, most of us share that opinion, but the idea that the organization that MADE Rodgers a global superstar owes it to him to bend to his every will...well, just rationally for a second think of it from another angle.

It is possible everyone is wrong and you are right, but if the conversation hasn't exhausted you by now, you are way too emotional about it. Its also possible you are wrong and others might have a valid opinion. I say this as someone who enjoys this message board and doesn't want another offseason of Brandon. I also think you are capable of other, better posts that don't involve this topic.

6 or 7 here. that's not the world. This is a bubble among packer fans. thinking your groupthink on the page makes you right is hilarious.

[King Friday]

I'm glad to be in the groupthink team that believes the earth is round.

[Packers4Glory]

I think you're missing the point. The Packers are an organization that's been around 100 years. QB's have come and gone, front offices have come and gone and many a hall of famer has graced the field for the green and gold.

How many bitched or dictated the organizations direction? We quickly found out in 2008 who were "Packer's" fans and who were "Favre" fans. It's fine to be a fan of a player but admit and own it and recognize that you're a player fan more-so than a team fan. It seems like some put the player above the team.

Also the posts about the front office having an ego are misguided. I remember all the posts about TT having an ego and he was about as far from having a ego as anybody that's every been in the Packer's organization. A quiet very private individual - how does that scream ego??

It's pretty simple really, a GM is rated on their ability to field competitive teams and see the whole picture. The coaches are there to manage the players and provide guidance, instruction and direction to the players and well the players are there to simply execute.

Why players feel the need or right to make personnel decisions seems to be a product of new entitled generation. I get wanting their voice to be heard but a GM is supplemented by the scouting organization and the rest of the front office. Gute might not have been the one to push for Love in the draft (then again maybe he did as ultimately it's his call) but if the board that he and the scouting staff has assembled has Love a top 10 pick and he's there at 26 he makes the tough decision to draft Love to better the team. Does that pick make the team better immediately? But his vision is long term and until this past year it was quite possible that Rodgers play was in decline or his age has made him more vulnerable to injury. Much of this same discussion occurred when we drafted Rodgers in 2005.

How does the selection of a QB in the first round suggest Gute has an ego? If you do months and months of work and build a board (right or wrong on it's rankings) - why would you deviate from it? Also why would Gute or TT have an ego when bottom line they are employed to make the Packers a winning team with the current players are well as future players. Whose to say that Gute didn't have several highly ranks WR's get taken before his draft position or his attempts to move up in those situations were too costly and thus the trade up didn't occur? We never know those details but again unless you're privy to what goes on behind closed doors it's all unfounded accusations.

You can argue that the front office doesn't know what they are doing (maybe you're right) but none of the picks would appear to suggest ego as the basis. Why "stick it" to your HOF QB when you're in the midst of competing for NFC titles?

Bonus question, even if you're the biggest fan of Aaron Rodgers, isn't he in some shape or form throwing his fellow teammates and fanbase under the bus in his requests for trade? We the fans didn't ask for Love nor did Rodgers teammates. Why doesn't the team simply strike for Aaron?

Pro sports are littered with the corpses of execs who try to outsmart the room.

IMO they did a calculation after Aaron's first year under MLF and thought, well, he's turning into a good not great QB. So lets look ahead and in a couple years we can cut him and move on. they never excpected the season they got. If they were serious about a SB the 2020 draft would have looked a lot different. That's the key thing people just have zero answer for here. You don't trade up and get Love without reaching out to your guy who is. your leader. You just don't.

Then you don't draft a 3rd string RB in the 2nd round of that draft. And then you don't draft a H-back that everyone had at round 5 or worse in the 3rd. these are not guys who are special talents. you can't find next year or later. You draft like you're trying to find someone to shore up your weaknesses so you have a better shot to get over the hump. Again the Dillon pick is the only one that you COULD make a case for because you know you were going to let Jones and Williams both walk. That didn't happen. So there was zero reason to make that pick there. it made no damn sense from a team building roster construction perspective.

People want to say that because 6 or 7 of you are saying one thing, maybe I'm wrong. But the ENTIRE media and insiders who covered that draft were dumbfounded by what we were doing and remain so to this day based on where we were as a team and in the window for being a legit SB threat. Nobody who is anyone in the industry liked our draft. just google it. here's a nice summary.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/26/draft-grades-analysts-really-hated-the-packers-2020-draft-class/

Yes Rodgers is pissed because instead of going for it, we decided to punt and draft for the future. first 3 picks were 2 3rd and 1 4th stringer. IDK what's hard to understand.

as far as who leaked it. idk. analyst and insiders I've heard think the team did. because you can't fathom or understand why they would, doesn't make it less likely. At this point its a PR game and teams and leagues have been better at that than any players or players union have been for a long time.