AR wants out?!

[Joemailman]

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-north/gr...odgers-packers

On Thursday, ESPN insider Dan Graziano reported that Rodgers and the Packers have discussed a new contract.

“Things have quieted down since draft day,” Graziano said on Get Up. “The Packers still hope and believe that there’s a chance he’ll be back with them as their starting quarterback this year. The question is what will that take? And there have been conversations between Aaron Rodgers’ camp and the Packers about a new contract, and I think that’s interesting when you look at the Packers and the way they do business. The willingness to do a new contract tells you that they’re willing to bend a little bit in Aaron Rodgers’ direction, whether Ron Wolf likes it or not. It’s just a question of what that number is, and is it high enough to get him back.”

[bobblehead]

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/former_packers_gm_ron_wolf_blasts_diva_aaron_rodgers/s1_12680_34934015?utm_source=msn%2Ecom&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rl_msn&utm_content=rl_msn_34958051

“We have a lot of divas playing in the league right now,” Wolf said. “I fail to understand that all these guys have long-term deals. I can’t believe the game has changed that remarkably,” Wolf said on the Big Show Network in Wisconsin. “These guys” are Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson, and Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson. Each is signed for at least the next three seasons. Each reportedly and/or actually want to be traded to new teams.”

[Anti-Polar Bear]

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/artic...l_msn_34958051

“We have a lot of divas playing in the league right now,” Wolf said. “I fail to understand that all these guys have long-term deals. I can’t believe the game has changed that remarkably,” Wolf said on the Big Show Network in Wisconsin. “These guys” are Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson, and Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson. Each is signed for at least the next three seasons. Each reportedly and/or actually want to be traded to new teams.”

Said the guy whose ego was bigger than Zeus’ rooster.

Wolf once gave Sherman the GM gig just to fuck with Holmgren. Wait, that’s a good thing, right? Sherman never once missed the playoffs as GM.

[Upnorth]

also perhaps to him holding the ball longer because outside of Adams his receivers that past several years couldn't get open. hence the obscene number of throwaways the years prior. Last year wasn't so bad. But when that core of Driver, Jordy, and Cobb got old, all the was left was a young Adams. The position was never addressed save for late round lotto picks like MVS and ESB among other flops. Plus the line prior to last year was average at best a lot of the time. Some of it due to injuries to Bulaga who was great when healthy but often was not.

Posts like this show how little you watch the real game and just focus on the ball. See the whole action before you say dumb things like this man. 2017 and 2018 our line wasn't good. 2018 was theonlyyear an uninjured rodgers had less than .500 win percentage. You know when he looks great? When the line is great and he plays the scheme. His hero ball makes our line look worse than it is. I belive the average time to release is about 2.5 seconds. Rodgers is usually 2.76 or greater. The vloser to 2.76 the better we play. The better the run game. The better the pa. Force the d to commit fast and they make more mistakes. Brady has always been quick and it shows in wins.

[texaspackerbacker]

No no no. p4g is mostly correct, and you're mostly wrong, Upnorth.

Brady has always had better O Lines and better defenses, and that's what shows in wins. With his lack of mobility, he doesn't have the option to take longer to pass. Rodgers does, thankfully. It is true, the better the run game, the easier it is to pass successfully, and the line gets some of the credit for that. Aaron Jones getting better and better also has a lot to do with it.

About the only time Rodgers doesn't look great is when the pass rush gets so massive that even his escapability isn't enough.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers has a history of holding the ball and making the OL look bad. He also has a history of escaping and making big plays. It was always a double edged sword. Now he gets rid of it quicker. He’s better the way he is now even if it’s fewer spectacular plays.

Brady has always been as good as Rodgers but a different style. Brady almost always gets rid of it quickly, still avoids interceptions and is smart enough to take sacks when nothing is there.

Both have been great QBs of the last decade but different.

[Upnorth]

If I was an oline man I would way rather block for Brady than rodgers. Less work each rep. More energy at the end of the game. Easier to play good when you are less tired.

[texaspackerbacker]

No, that's not the way it is, RG.

Put Brady on a lesser team, and he's nowhere near as good as he has been. Put Brady on the Packers, and he gets rushed into a lot of losses and probably a lot shorter career. Brady has 581 TD passes and 191 interceptions - pretty damn good. Aaron Rodgers has 412 TD passes and 89 interceptions, close to twice as good.

Never in a million years does "Rodgers make the O Line look bad". He's gotten rushed horribly his whole career, and he still has performed as the GOAT.

[sharpe1027]

Quick release QBs can mask a bad Online. Brady makes his line look better by getting rid of the ball quickly and by understanding the defense to make them pay for bringing pressure.

Rodgers adds value by extending plays. He created more chances for high return. In doing so, he also makes the O-line look worse.

Two different approaches by two of the best to play the game.

Rodgers proved he can shift his play to quicker releases last year and the results were amazing. That's good, because he'll need to do that more as he gets older. Brady, in the other hand, never had the ability to extend the way Rodgers did for most of his career.

[Upnorth]

Quick release QBs can mask a bad Online. Brady makes his line look better by getting rid of the ball quickly and by understanding the defense to make them pay for bringing pressure.

Rodgers adds value by extending plays. He created more chances for high return. In doing so, he also makes the O-line look worse.

Two different approaches by two of the best to play the game.

Rodgers proved he can shift his play to quicker releases last year and the results were amazing. That's good, because he'll need to do that more as he gets older. Brady, in the other hand, never had the ability to extend the way Rodgers did for most of his career.

This is 100% accurate sharpe

[bobblehead]

Rodgers is superior to Brady. No doubt in my mind. Rodgers has played in an inferior system with an inferior defense and coaching until 2 years ago.

Under MiLF Rodgers has taken the top off the D with more consistency simply because we force the D to honor the run. His deep ball is 2nd to none and rivaled by only Jeff George and Jeff Blake that I have ever seen. Of course, one was a head case and the other couldn't read a D. Rodgers is also a headcase, but not as bad as George was.

Here is another fact. Like Favre, Rodgers doesn't want to share credit for his success with anyone. As he is older, he is more selfish. MiLF is largely responsible for the MVP resurgence because he butted heads with Rodgers until Rodgers executed the superior system properly. Brady never had to butt heads with little Josh as he preferred audibling to the run and watching a 7 yard gain. He just wants to win at all costs and with it comes the adulation. So in some ways Brady is a better QB while not being near the talent.

Hopefully we can see Love latch onto MiLF until he also has enough success to decide he knows everything and 15 years from now we can be pissed that we are treating out 3rd straight HoF QB so badly when he gets selfish and forgets all the people who contributed to his success.

[texaspackerbacker]

In the unlikely event we see Love starting within the next 4 or 5 years, I sincerely hope he models himself after Rodgers. As I have said, the best of all Rodgers' great qualities is his mindset to not throw interceptions.

The thing that masks a bad O Line is MOBILITY - much more so than a quick release. A lot of people in here use the term quick release to mean getting rid of the ball early. No, that's not what it means. It means the period of time from the decision to throw until the ball is gone, and Rodgers is right up there with Marino and a few others on that too. I say again, getting rid of the ball quick as a top priority is stupid. It results in a lower completion percentage and interceptions. I've said consistently Rodgers is better than Brady, but I'll throw Brady a bone now: he is accurate enough that he can unload it quick and not throw that many picks (although he still has thrown more than twice as many as Rodgers in his career). Brady, of course, has to be that way because he lacks mobility, but because he has always been blessed with a good O Line, he is right up there with P. Manning. Elway, Montana, Marino, and Favre as just a notch or so behind the GOAT.

[Upnorth]

Funny Baltimore's oline looked great in front of flacco. Just crap with lamar. I think you are baxkwards

[sharpe1027]

In the unlikely event we see Love starting within the next 4 or 5 years, I sincerely hope he models himself after Rodgers. As I have said, the best of all Rodgers' great qualities is his mindset to not throw interceptions.

The thing that masks a bad O Line is MOBILITY - much more so than a quick release. A lot of people in here use the term quick release to mean getting rid of the ball early. No, that's not what it means. It means the period of time from the decision to throw until the ball is gone, and Rodgers is right up there with Marino and a few others on that too. I say again, getting rid of the ball quick as a top priority is stupid. It results in a lower completion percentage and interceptions. I've said consistently Rodgers is better than Brady, but I'll throw Brady a bone now: he is accurate enough that he can unload it quick and not throw that many picks (although he still has thrown more than twice as many as Rodgers in his career). Brady, of course, has to be that way because he lacks mobility, but because he has always been blessed with a good O Line, he is right up there with P. Manning. Elway, Montana, Marino, and Favre as just a notch or so behind the GOAT.

Mobility doesn't make the O-line LOOK better the same way a quick release does. Better results with both approaches, but a QB scrambling for his life LOOKs a lot worse for the O-line than when the QB gets rid of the ball quickly.

[texaspackerbacker]

I guess a better way to say it is mobility compensates for defective O Line play. That's been the situation as long as Rodgers has been starting in Green Bay. I suppose you're right, that doesn't necessarily make the O Line look good, but it sure has gotten them a lot of praise over the years - way more than deserved IMO. The most telling thing about the O Line IMO is what happened with Rodgers out - some of the QBs running like scared rabbits back there due to the same kind of pass rush Rodgers faces game in and game out. I'm thinking in particular of Seneca Wallace.