AR wants out?!

[Fritz]

I agree with this and my position has changed from 75-25 he’s be back to basically 50/50 or worse. Not only did he skip OTAs, but he went on ESPN prime time and made it known he wasn’t participating for a reason. That had little to do with Kenny Mayne IMHO.

The kicker is I don’t see how Gooter comes back from this. Right, wrong or indifferent WRT draft pick, it’s very clear they didn’t handle the situation well enough.

I really don’t think he will be worth as much as people think. I think he might yield a #1 but almost certainly not two number ones. He yanked his value like Kawhi did.

This is Gutekunst's Job One right now:

[call_me_ishmael]

Yep. TT knew in 2008 that he would sink or swim with Rodgers. Same with Gute and Love.

I think in 2008 that is true. I'm less sure that was true in 2005 though. Maybe it was. Andrew Brandt likes to say the Packers knew Rodgers was going to be really good right away. So who knows. Looking at precedent, I recall a podcast I listened to where half-way through I wanna say 2017 in Mahomes first year, a media type asked a Chiefs executive what they had in Mahomes and they said future MVP before he even took a snap. So I guess you really can tell right away in the case of the truly elite players.

[red]

the more this has set in and the more i hear from people like alex smith and stephen a smith, the more i think that gutey needs to go

it sounds like he told rodgers to get the fuck out of his office and shut his mouth and just play the game and that is input on team building wasn't needed. rodgers has been running the offense, he should have a pretty good idea of what kind of players could help him. but gutes wouldn't even listen, even though he was a first or second year GM at that point.



then you have alex smith saying he doesn't blame rodgers for being pissed about them not telling him a QB being drafted was an option. HE was told by the chiefs that they wanted to draft mahomes. we've heard about many other teams doing this. this is what teams do these days, especially when the QB has been the face of your franchise for over a decade. a-rod goes in thinking the team would actually draft him a new weapon, he probably even told gutey he needed a WR, instead, gutey tells him to shut up and GTFO of his office, then drafts his replacement

gutey has a vew really nice draft picks, and he went all in that first year in free agency, but he hasn't been good enough to completely fuck over the most important player on your team

i think no matter if a-rod stays or goes or retires or whatever, you just can't excuse the epic fuckup that gutey and his ego managed to engineer

[Joemailman]

the more this has set in and the more i hear from people like alex smith and stephen a smith, the more i think that gutey needs to go

it sounds like he told rodgers to get the fuck out of his office and shut his mouth and just play the game and that is input on team building wasn't needed. rodgers has been running the offense, he should have a pretty good idea of what kind of players could help him. but gutes wouldn't even listen, even though he was a first or second year GM at that point.



then you have alex smith saying he doesn't blame rodgers for being pissed about them not telling him a QB being drafted was an option. HE was told by the chiefs that they wanted to draft mahomes. we've heard about many other teams doing this. this is what teams do these days, especially when the QB has been the face of your franchise for over a decade. a-rod goes in thinking the team would actually draft him a new weapon, he probably even told gutey he needed a WR, instead, gutey tells him to shut up and GTFO of his office, then drafts his replacement

gutey has a vew really nice draft picks, and he went all in that first year in free agency, but he hasn't been good enough to completely fuck over the most important player on your team

i think no matter if a-rod stays or goes or retires or whatever, you just can't excuse the epic fuckup that gutey and his ego managed to engineer

I think more time is needed. If Love turns out to be the next great Packer QB, and they are set at the QB for the next 10-15 years, was it a fuckup? Plenty of people thought TT was crazy in 2008.

I'm skeptical of the claim that if Gute had just let Rodgers know ahead of time that he was considering drafting Love that Rodgers woild have been okay with it. Rodgers would have taken it as a slight no matter what the circumstances.

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't think it has anything to do with ARod not knowing ahead of time, it's the question of whether he's the guy or not. If they said `Listen Aaron, we like you and you will be our starter the next 3-4 years, here's the contract to prove it, we only drafted Love because he was by far the best player left on our board and we'll flip him` then this is a moot point. If they said `Listen Aaron, here's the deal, Love is going to be the guy starting in 2021 or 2022. We will trade you to a team of your choice at that time` this would be a moot point.

Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if they told him the latter and now are back tracking on it.

They did neither of those things. They're essentially holding his career hostage by not giving him the type of guarantees in contracts that star players generally get, and they're using valuable assets to be half-in instead of all-in. That is the crux of his beef.

[RashanGary]

It’s a business and the Packers are tasked with preparing for life after Aaron. When you’re a player and give everything to the team it feels like betrayal when you’re not treated with the utmost respect and loyalty.

It’s a business. These are the problems that come with it. I don’t think anyone has ill will or bad intentions.

Let’s hope Love is a star and the drama is worth it.

[bobblehead]

There is a kool-aid explanation. They fully expect Rodgers to be back with the Packers, and figure it's a useless risk of injury and waste of time for them to be at OTA's if Rodgers isn't there.

Could buy that with Adams. MAYBE even MVS. But sorry, St. Brown, Funchess, Taylor? They need reps. They need to show the coaches improvement. How is St. Brown going to feel if he misses final cuts and this is the reason. Will he speak out?

[bobblehead]

So he plays in the system set up for him and when he does looks like an MVP? Then he gets all the leverage?
I feel like he is less valuable than I think he is.

He played in the system and he is great. Both can be true. Marriota played in the system and looked average. He is not average. Love will not win the MVP at this juncture, but if he plays in the offense they can win games and make some noise. If he improves and utilizes his skill set he might just win an Owl and/or MVP.

In any event, Erin is butt hurt and I think its time for them to call his bluff if the kings ransom is available. But if the offer is a 1st and a 2nd...then let him sit.

[bobblehead]

I think in 2008 that is true. I'm less sure that was true in 2005 though. Maybe it was. Andrew Brandt likes to say the Packers knew Rodgers was going to be really good right away. So who knows. Looking at precedent, I recall a podcast I listened to where half-way through I wanna say 2017 in Mahomes first year, a media type asked a Chiefs executive what they had in Mahomes and they said future MVP before he even took a snap. So I guess you really can tell right away in the case of the truly elite players.

No, its just that every GM is going to say that we knew it all along. The packers drafted Love because they like his skill set. If you ask them after he wins an MVP they will say "yep, never a doubt". If you ask them now they will hedge and say "he certainly has all the tools to win one." No way any GM says "yea, we knew he was a dud."

[bobblehead]

the more this has set in and the more i hear from people like alex smith and stephen a smith, the more i think that gutey needs to go

it sounds like he told rodgers to get the fuck out of his office and shut his mouth and just play the game and that is input on team building wasn't needed. rodgers has been running the offense, he should have a pretty good idea of what kind of players could help him. but gutes wouldn't even listen, even though he was a first or second year GM at that point.



then you have alex smith saying he doesn't blame rodgers for being pissed about them not telling him a QB being drafted was an option. HE was told by the chiefs that they wanted to draft mahomes. we've heard about many other teams doing this. this is what teams do these days, especially when the QB has been the face of your franchise for over a decade. a-rod goes in thinking the team would actually draft him a new weapon, he probably even told gutey he needed a WR, instead, gutey tells him to shut up and GTFO of his office, then drafts his replacement

gutey has a vew really nice draft picks, and he went all in that first year in free agency, but he hasn't been good enough to completely fuck over the most important player on your team

i think no matter if a-rod stays or goes or retires or whatever, you just can't excuse the epic fuckup that gutey and his ego managed to engineer

Thats quite a scenario your mind has put together on very little information.

[bobblehead]

I don't think it has anything to do with ARod not knowing ahead of time, it's the question of whether he's the guy or not. If they said `Listen Aaron, we like you and you will be our starter the next 3-4 years, here's the contract to prove it, we only drafted Love because he was by far the best player left on our board and we'll flip him` then this is a moot point. If they said `Listen Aaron, here's the deal, Love is going to be the guy starting in 2021 or 2022. We will trade you to a team of your choice at that time` this would be a moot point.

Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if they told him the latter and now are back tracking on it.

They did neither of those things. They're essentially holding his career hostage by not giving him the type of guarantees in contracts that star players generally get, and they're using valuable assets to be half-in instead of all-in. That is the crux of his beef.

I disagree. His beef is he feels dissed. He can't get along with his own family. He went from "like a father" with MM to "piece of shit". He goes through relationships in his life like someone who doesn't understand the give in give and take.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Could buy that with Adams. MAYBE even MVS. But sorry, St. Brown, Funchess, Taylor? They need reps. They need to show the coaches improvement. How is St. Brown going to feel if he misses final cuts and this is the reason. Will he speak out?

Taylor was at practice. Good thing they kept him over Kumerow. JK would have been missing too.

[sharpe1027]

Rodgers could show up, support his teammates and have the best chance at a Superbowl of his career. He'd have so much goodwill built up he'd be able to ask for whatever he wanted. Or, he could hold a grudge force s trade where he's likely on a worse team and everyone loses, most of all his teammates.

[Spaulding]

Don't know what to read into this but Miles Teller evidently tweeted a congrats on signing with the Packers on Thursday:

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/miles-teller-cryptic-tweet-aaron-rodgers-packers-rift

If so and they are keeping this off the radar, good for them. As much as I'd be okay with a bounty of picks and/or players it's all speculation and I'd rather have Rodgers and a chance at a Super Bowl than seeing what we have in Love which is another unknown.

[call_me_ishmael]

It’s a business and the Packers are tasked with preparing for life after Aaron. When you’re a player and give everything to the team it feels like betrayal when you’re not treated with the utmost respect and loyalty.

It’s a business. These are the problems that come with it. I don’t think anyone has ill will or bad intentions.

Let’s hope Love is a star and the drama is worth it.

It’s a business but the business is to win games now too. Unless Love is a very good QB and dramatically outkicks his coverage it was a stupid pick, no two-ways about it.