Report: Aaron Rodgers wants the Packers to fire G.M. Brian Gutekunst

[Packers4Glory]

Loyal to whom? To Rodgers? How have they been disloyal? If Rodgers wants out and the Organization wants him to stay, who's being disloyal?

they want him to stay? maybe now that he put up a ridiculous season and drug the team to the NFC championship...again. The draft of Love says they were planning on moving on in 2022. what's hard to understand here? you're making up shit. They've done everything imaginable to undercut Aaron's influence. The only thing the team has left to stand on is putting out a bogus report about him wanting the GM fired as a condition of him coming back lol.

[call_me_ishmael]

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[Fritz]

they want him to stay? maybe now that he put up a ridiculous season and drug the team to the NFC championship...again. The draft of Love says they were planning on moving on in 2022. what's hard to understand here? you're making up shit. They've done everything imaginable to undercut Aaron's influence. The only thing the team has left to stand on is putting out a bogus report about him wanting the GM fired as a condition of him coming back lol.

No, drafting Love does NOT say "they were planning on moving on in 2022."

Moving on from Rodgers would depend upon a number of factors: Rodgers's health and how well he played in 2020 and 2021 being big factors. Another factor in the decision was the team finding out what they actually have in Jordan Love.

They wanted to be ready before Aaron Rodgers suffered a precipitious decline in his play (such a decline is not unthinkable if you look at Rodgers' last three seasons prior to the 2020 draft). They wanted to be ready in case Rodgers suffered a debilitating injury. They saw a guy sitting there in round one in 2020 who they must've liked, knowing that getting a high-potential QB that far down in the first round comes once in a blue moon. They probably figured they'd better grab the guy while they can, so they did. And how can they be faulted for that? Now, I think Gutes really screwed up by not showing Rodgers the respect of giving him a heads-up and some assurances, but that's another topic.

If Rodgers continued to play well and had good health, they could show off Love in preseason for two or three seasons and probably salvage a second round pick, if he really was promising as a solid NFL QB. Not a big loss for having a solid backup QB for a couple seasons (I did not count him last year as a solid backup). If Love looked like the next Johnny Unitas after his second or third season, then yes, they could move on.

But it's far too sweeping to claim that the Packers drafted Love and just thought they'd move on in 2022. They knew and know there are lots of variables, and I'm sure they considered the possibility that one of the best scenarios might involve Rodgers defying Father Time and playing great and staying healthy, and that would mean (unless Love looked like the next Aaron Rodgers, which is unlikely) getting rid of Love after three or four seasons.

[call_me_ishmael]

They didn't draft love to sit him on the bench forever or to trade him. They drafted him to play in 2022. No doubt about it IMO. If Love was gone last year, I think they would have just drafted someone else. I _really_ don't think there is anything special or unique about Jordan Love vs the prospects every other year.

[Fritz]

There is doubt about it. They drafted Love because they had a 36 year old QB who hadn't played great for a few years, and they didn't know if that would continue or not. They drafted Love because they didn't want to be caught with their pants down if Rodgers got hurt seriously. We'll see if you're right about how good Love is.

But the team surely considered the possibility that Rodgers would play great again and they'd have a backup QB for the next four years. That's not such a bad outcome. At that point they trade him. They surely also considered the possibility that Love would suck and they'd cut him in three years.

They surely considered the possibility that in a good case scenario they were drafting Love to have a cheap backup on the bench for three or four years, and that they could then, depending on Love's performance, either recoup some draft capital or just cut him.

[call_me_ishmael]

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[Joemailman]

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McGinn is Garbage!!!! If I had the text of the whole McGinn article, I'd throw it right in the GARBAGE CAN!!!!. Know what I mean?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Anyone have an Athletic subscription and can you paste the text of the McGinn article? Thanks.

Yo Partial, your new gig is paying you a 6 figures salary, yet you won’t shell out $12 for a year long subscription to the Athletic?

I know Tony O’Day is a subscriber. He digs the Athletic’s NHL coverages. Ain’t nothing like a sport without the Blacks. You dig? Good luck, though, getting a free hand out from that pompous fishmonger, O’Day.

[Fritz]

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Ouch.

But is it somehow lost on Rodgers that Krause and Michael Jordan won six championships in Chicago? What, if Jordan had gotten Krause fired they'd have won seven?

So keeping Jake Kumerow would've gotten the Packers that elusive Super Bowl?

And man, if it's not about money any more at all - if it's true they've offered him an extension that would make him the highest-paid QB in football AND is for five years - then we all have to say, once again, that Madtown was right, and that Rodgers won't ever, ever let his grudges go. If Rodgers was a mom and his baby was a grudge, he'd nurse that thing into adulthood and middle age.

[bobblehead]

Lol cats sleeping with dogs

I have to admit I'm dying to know. Which one is Tex and which one is APB?

[bobblehead]

they want him to stay? maybe now that he put up a ridiculous season and drug the team to the NFC championship...again. The draft of Love says they were planning on moving on in 2022. what's hard to understand here? you're making up shit. They've done everything imaginable to undercut Aaron's influence. The only thing the team has left to stand on is putting out a bogus report about him wanting the GM fired as a condition of him coming back lol.

You are making a classic mistake that many people I know make in the workplace. They think EVERYTHING is about and motivated by them. Drafting Love probably had very little to do with Rodgers other than a contingency plan. It had to do with being prepared. It had to do with a QB they had ranked as a top 6 or 7 pick who slid down the board.

Now what IS about Rodgers is this. They have him under contract for 4 years when they made that pick. They have never waivered from "he is our QB". He should do what Baktiari, Jones, Adams, and everyone on the team does every year. They come in and win a starting job. Then he should win another MVP and an Owl. Then if he still wants to leave he should say "there, you're welcome, can you please trade me now". Likely they would say "no, please stay, we want to win back to back". They can repeat this until he isn't under contract that HE SIGNED or until the team decides to move on.

[bobblehead]

They didn't draft love to sit him on the bench forever or to trade him. They drafted him to play in 2022. No doubt about it IMO. If Love was gone last year, I think they would have just drafted someone else. I _really_ don't think there is anything special or unique about Jordan Love vs the prospects every other year.

Do you think that would still be the plan if Rodgers played MVP ball again? So, in reality it was a contingency in case a 37 year old QB started to look 37. Every plan is in effect just that...a plan based on what you know and subject to change. Rodgers balled out. Plans change. Sucks to be Jordan. Good to be Aaron. Instead of whining about it Rodgers should take all that phat cash, win another MVP, another Owl and bang his hot wife. Smile slyly about how he was right all along and not washed up. Repeat that until he is a FA or is washed up. That is how I would play it.

[bobblehead]

McGinn is Garbage!!!! If I had the text of the whole McGinn article, I'd throw it right in the GARBAGE CAN!!!!. Know what I mean?

I hear ya loud and clear!!

[bobblehead]

Yo Partial, your new gig is paying you a 6 figures salary, yet you won’t shell out $12 for a year long subscription to the Athletic?

I know Tony O’Day is a subscriber. He digs the Athletic’s NHL coverages. Ain’t nothing like a sport without the Blacks. You dig? Good luck, though, getting a free hand out from that pompous fishmonger, O’Day.

A LIE. I have personally met Evander Kane.

[Fritz]

You are making a classic mistake that many people I know make in the workplace. They think EVERYTHING is about and motivated by them. Drafting Love probably had very little to do with Rodgers other than a contingency plan. It had to do with being prepared. It had to do with a QB they had ranked as a top 6 or 7 pick who slid down the board.

Now what IS about Rodgers is this. They have him under contract for 4 years when they made that pick. They have never waivered from "he is our QB". He should do what Baktiari, Jones, Adams, and everyone on the team does every year. They come in and win a starting job. Then he should win another MVP and an Owl. Then if he still wants to leave he should say "there, you're welcome, can you please trade me now". Likely they would say "no, please stay, we want to win back to back". They can repeat this until he isn't under contract that HE SIGNED or until the team decides to move on.

The truth is, though, that the NFL has made certain players into "more" than just players. Those players tend to be QB's, but can be a player of another position who has ascended to superstar status. There's this expectation that these players have a "responsibility" to be "leaders" by telling the organization what needs to be done to win.

This was the complaint in Detroit about both Barry Sanders and later, Matthew Stafford - that somehow being great players wasn't enough. They were criticized because they didn't take the organization to task and "demand" more.

Personally, I think that's bullshit. It's not Matt Stafford's job, as part of being the quarterback and leader, to get pissy with management and make "demands." If it is his job, it should be done behind the scenes, not publicly. How does it help for a player to get out in front of the tv cameras and say "Hey, the organization needs to do more to win"?

But that's what a lot of fans want - someone to not only be great player, but to be the mouthpiece for their frustrations. And the league has played into that - it helps revenues to have superstars. Everyone's a "brand."

And that's the nature of our society today. Most young fans today are bigger fans of players than they are of teams. My grandson likes the Seahawks for the simple fact that they have Russell Wilson. He's not a Seahawks fan; he's a Russell Wilson fan.

So while I agree with you, Bobble, I don't think it's realistic any more to ask Rodgers to act like he's just another teammate, even a talented one like Bakh or Aaron Jones. He's been told he's the most important player on the team, by many people (including the organization) for many years now, so there's just no way at this point he's going to act like any of his teammates. Stafford might be the exception here - one of the reasons I liked him. Though of course he's not nearly as good as Aaron Rodgers, that's not one of the reasons he's not - his unwillingness to "demand" the organization make certain moves to win.