Packers 2021 draft class

[RashanGary]

I think DL has high (unrealistic?) expectations for what constitutes a solid stater such that everyone's always looking for something better. Similar thing could be said for QB.

I think DT is the single best example of a position where there aren’t enough good ones to go around. There are maybe 10 truly good DTs at a given time in the NFL. You even go down the probowl list and back end of the pro bowlers are just OK.

Tight end is another one. Tonyan probably should have been a pro bowler. He’s good but was hardly a special player. This year i do think he has a chance to be special tho. Just last year, him developing, he was already better than most and he wasn’t even developed yet.

Receivers, there are like 30 good ones. DT and TE, you can count on two hands the really good ones. It’s crazy how few big guys exist in the world let alone ones that are truly capable of playing ball.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The interior guy I wanted in those later rounds was Jonathan Marshall. He went in the 6th.

Not the same type of player. Marshall is only 310 lbs. If we drafted him, you'd probably say he doesn't have enough "sand in the pants".

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think DT is the single best example of a position where there aren’t enough good ones to go around. There are maybe 10 truly good DTs at a given time in the NFL. You even go down the probowl list and back end of the pro bowlers are just OK.

Tight end is another one. Tonyan probably should have been a pro bowler. He’s good but was hardly a special player. This year i do think he has a chance to be special tho. Just last year, him developing, he was already better than most and he wasn’t even developed yet.

Receivers, there are like 30 good ones. DT and TE, you can count on two hands the really good ones. It’s crazy how few big guys exist in the world let alone ones that are truly capable of playing ball.

True. 10 might be high (Clark, Cox, Jones, Donald, Heyward, Buckner, Jarrett). Atkins used to be in that group. Not sure how he played last year. The rest fill specific roles.

[sharpe1027]

I think DT is the single best example of a position where there aren’t enough good ones to go around. There are maybe 10 truly good DTs at a given time in the NFL. You even go down the probowl list and back end of the pro bowlers are just OK.

Tight end is another one. Tonyan probably should have been a pro bowler. He’s good but was hardly a special player. This year i do think he has a chance to be special tho. Just last year, him developing, he was already better than most and he wasn’t even developed yet.

Receivers, there are like 30 good ones. DT and TE, you can count on two hands the really good ones. It’s crazy how few big guys exist in the world let alone ones that are truly capable of playing ball.

What that tells me is there is a skewed subjective view of what it means to be good based on the position. If it were an objective measure, the percentages would necessarily be the same.

[RashanGary]

What that tells me is there is a skewed subjective view of what it means to be good based on the position. If it were an objective measure, the percentages would necessarily be the same.

Yeah, If scaled in the sense of there being 64 good interior lineman and you just adjust your expectations to what is real, yeah, people have a skewed view of what a good lineman is.

I think it’s more that there aren’t nearly enough good interior d lineman in the league.

[RashanGary]

The reality of how bad DL play is in the league....


Clark is a top 6 DT and a pro bowler
Keke is in the top 64 for sure (meaning he’s a starter of there are two per team)
Lowry is in the top 128 (meaning he’s easily a rotational talent)
Lancaster is in the top 128 (same)

So the packers have a star, a starter and two rotational guys. Meaning they’re about average compared to the rest of the league.


But since we all know what dominant football looks like, we know that we’re a far cry from being dominant and NEED dL talent even if we are in the average spectrum of DL talent compared to the league.

[Fritz]

I've read on some sites that he had weight fluctuations on college. PFN claims that he dropped 30 pounds since the end of his senior season.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/t...ensive-tackle/


Not sure who is right on this subject. He could be a considerable upgrade over Lancaster though if he can keep his weight around 330.

I predict Slaton is going to be a star - the next Gilbert Brown.

[texaspackerbacker]

I agree, Fritz (since I basically said the same thing a couple days ago hahahaha).

I'm not so sure the losing 30 pounds and alleged earlier weight fluctuations are a good thing, though. I'd love to have another Gilbert Brown, but we don't need no stinking Oprah.

RG, do you really think Lowry and Lancaster are good enough to be "rotational players" on most NFL teams? I'm not so sure, just as I'm not so sure Keke is starter quality on most teams. I think there's a strong chance Slaton will quickly be recognized as a better player than any of those three.

[RashanGary]

I agree, Fritz (since I basically said the same thing a couple days ago hahahaha).

I'm not so sure the losing 30 pounds and alleged earlier weight fluctuations are a good thing, though. I'd love to have another Gilbert Brown, but we don't need no stinking Oprah.

RG, do you really think Lowry and Lancaster are good enough to be "rotational players" on most NFL teams? I'm not so sure, just as I'm not so sure Keke is starter quality on most teams. I think there's a strong chance Slaton will quickly be recognized as a better player than any of those three.

Not to be trite, but I watch over 100 games a season due to my gambling aspirations. I think I have a better idea about what the trenches look like across the league than most.

[texaspackerbacker]

ok, sir, I yield to your expertise hahahahaha.

[RashanGary]

True. 10 might be high (Clark, Cox, Jones, Donald, Heyward, Buckner, Jarrett). Atkins used to be in that group. Not sure how he played last year. The rest fill specific roles.

Dalvin Tomlinson, even Leonard Williams, Vita Vea, Suh, etc.... there’s a few. But it’s a very small few. I see DT and TE as the hardest to fill positions in football with the fewest star players.

[sharpe1027]

Yeah, If scaled in the sense of there being 64 good interior lineman and you just adjust your expectations to what is real, yeah, people have a skewed view of what a good lineman is.

I think it’s more that there aren’t nearly enough good interior d lineman in the league.

What I hear you saying is that an average DL isn't good enough, but an average WR is good enough. To me, that means your definition of good enough is not consistent from position to position. Maybe what's behind your view is that having a top DL is more important than having a top WR to the team. That the drop off in benefit to the team from a top player to an average player is greater for DL than for WR?

[RashanGary]

What I hear you saying is that an average DL isn't good enough, but an average WR is good enough. To me, that means your definition of good enough is not consistent from position to position. Maybe what's behind your view is that having a top DL is more important than having a top WR to the team. That the drop off in benefit to the team from a top player to an average player is greater for DL than for WR?

It’s literally that the average receiver is good and the average DL is bad. There are more good receivers and less quality DL. Why do they have to be equal?

[Joemailman]

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Packers definitely got some nice young pieces added on the OL.. Royce Newman is a good looking prospect. Probably needs a year or 2 to develop some more strength but plays with great quickness and has a strong base. Rarely puts himself in a bad position. Probably a future OG.

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[run pMc]

It’s literally that the average receiver is good and the average DL is bad. There are more good receivers and less quality DL. Why do they have to be equal?

RG's right -- there are more good WR's than DL's. It's why DL's get overdrafted.