Monday is a Big Day

[RashanGary]

The other thing, I don't think anyone on. the team is rooting for Rodgers to get a blockbuster deal. He's made and makes more than any football player should ever make. They all know there is only so much pie to go around.

Public sentiment will never be in Rodgers favor

People understand what Gute is trying to do



Rodgers has basically no leverage other than missing training camp. If he does that he risks injury and losing a lot of money. Rodgers really has to hurt himself to try to get what he wants (money) and no one is gonna he on his side. A young black QB whose dad committed suicide, and a great guy in the wings. No one will see 12 as a victim. He's had it good and has it good.

He will not get what he wants. Bet.

[RashanGary]

I like you, RG, but this latest take is utter nonsense.

1) If the NFL was like American culture, it would be more like European soccer. There would be no salary cap and the big clubs would compete with each other to buy the best players.
2) The salary cap necessitates hard decisions. You can't keep everybody, so you have to choose who you bring back. The Packers are often criticized because they are more loyal to their own players than most teams. Why don't the Packers sign FAs? They do. Their own.
3) If you praised the Packers for signing Big Z, Amos, etc. at the expense of keeping the likes of Jordy Nelson, then you have no leg to stand on.

You're right. I'm just paraphrasing 12’s culture gripe as I see it. Its mostly money though. He's just painting it as something else for public sentiment.

[sharpe1027]

At work I connect directly to the people I work with. The things that come down from above aren’t as personal and don’t have the depth of actual in person relationships. So I definitely understand when Rodgers talks directly about teammates and feels separate from the higher up business.

But you connecting to the “organization” and feeling connected like it’s a team, there’s nothing wrong with that. Some people can feel connected with that kind of indirect relationship. I just don’t.

I'm not connecting those two things. I'm saying every decision has consequences and those decisions generally effect individuals differently. You make a move based on a personal relationship and you are doing a disservice to others. It's not about being cold, it's about making a decision for the greater goal. A decision might negatively impact a single individual, but if successful, it will benefit others. That's not cold, it's common sense.

[call_me_ishmael]

I think those in the know - the former players like Hawk, Kuhn, etc. - know this. This will all be over soon with a strong chance the conclusion is a long term extension for Rodgers. The only way that doesn't happen is if Gutekunst gets all pissy and digs in against it. And if that happens, we need to get rid of Gutekunst and give him the Dan Devine treatment.

I do wonder how aligned Murphy and Gooter are on all of tihs. I would think they're in lock step. If the rumors are true they only offered Aaron 2021 guaranteed in redoing his contract - which who knows if that is true or not - than IMO that is a big mistake and very clear they're planning on turning to JLove.

When has an MVP not had their contract torn up? I don't follow this closely but I would guess not very frequently.

[SudsMcBucky]

JMHO, but it seems like Aaron is way too stubborn to come back under his contract. I don't see that EVER happening. I think he'd cut off his nose to spite his face and would rather not get paid $37 or so million this year. He's either going to get a big new contract, not play at all, or get traded. Personally, I'd almost rather see the Pack not trade him and let ARod sit.

[texaspackerbacker]

Amos said one thing that was revealing. He said everyone wants to get paid what they’re worth in connection with Rodgers.


Rodgers has 3 problems when it comes to contract and the biggest two have nothing to do with Jordan Love

Rodgers #1 problem - he's almost 40
Rodgers #2 problem - he's under a fair contract that gets him to age 40
Rodgers #3 problem - Jordan Love will be 25 years old, have 4 invaluable years of experience behind the goat, and will be entering the prime of his career when Rodgers contract runs out at 40 years old


Rodgers wants one more hot strike of the iron before he fades off into the sunset. But the cards aren't aligning. In all probability, he’ll be back playing out his current deal or get a slight bump. It's unlikely the Packers give up on Jordan Love or start betting all their marbles on Rodgers after 40. Unfortunately a QB they “loved” slipped to striking distance a year ago and the Packers probably feel like an over 40 QB is risky.

My prediction Rodgers plays another year on his same deal.

The way you picture it isn't too bad. I'd go along with it, and probably Rodgers would too. Having Rodgers until age 40 would be fine. That would be December 2023. It would take a one year extension to get to that. His current contract, as so many have stated, for better or worse, I'd say much worse, makes it feasible for the team to dump him after 2021, though.

I'd like to extend Rodgers way past 40, but what you're saying would be an adequate compromise IMO assuming those years until age 40 get guaranteed.

[texaspackerbacker]

The other thing, I don't think anyone on. the team is rooting for Rodgers to get a blockbuster deal. He's made and makes more than any football player should ever make. They all know there is only so much pie to go around.

Public sentiment will never be in Rodgers favor

People understand what Gute is trying to do



Rodgers has basically no leverage other than missing training camp. If he does that he risks injury and losing a lot of money. Rodgers really has to hurt himself to try to get what he wants (money) and no one is gonna he on his side. A young black QB whose dad committed suicide, and a great guy in the wings. No one will see 12 as a victim. He's had it good and has it good.

He will not get what he wants. Bet.

When you're right, you're right, but you're way off here. Public sentiment greatly favors Rodgers. Why? because he has been the primary one responsible for giving us so much pleasure for so long. And while people understand what Gutekunst seemed to be doing, they/we hated it.

I bet he already has gotten what he wants offered. He's just making 'em squirm right now.

Rodgers' leverage is that he could retire and have a helluva lot of options, leaving the team in a world of shit. I don't think he will do that, but he could.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers is under contract till 2023. He has 3 years left on his current deal and will be 40 before it's done

[texaspackerbacker]

Are you sure it's 3, through the '21 season? If so, fine. Just make it guaranteed, and it should be an adequate compromise.

[sharpe1027]

When you're right, you're right, but you're way off here. Public sentiment greatly favors Rodgers. Why? because he has been the primary one responsible for giving us so much pleasure for so long. And while people understand what Gutekunst seemed to be doing, they/we hated it.

I bet he already has gotten what he wants offered. He's just making 'em squirm right now.

Rodgers' leverage is that he could retire and have a helluva lot of options, leaving the team in a world of shit. I don't think he will do that, but he could.

Not sure what public you're referring to, but more of the Packers fans I spoke to think Rodgers is in the wrong.

[Bretsky]

People understand what Gute is trying to do

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Understand, perhaps...I agree they "understand" what he's trying to to....but agree....debateble.......there is a ton who think Gute was a f'ckin moron not for drafting a QB a couple years too early.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Understand, perhaps...I agree they "understand" what he's trying to to....but agree....debateble.......there is a ton who think Gute was a f'ckin moron not for drafting a QB a couple years too early.

What if Love turns out to be good (like Rodgers was)? Is it still stupid?

[wist43]

What if Love turns out to be good (like Rodgers was)? Is it still stupid?

Yes, still stupid, b/c you're continuing to build, and there will always be opportunities to acquire a QB in the future... QB is a total crapshoot. So roll the dice in a few years, and build for championships now.

I can't fathom how you guys can't wrap your heads around this.

[sharpe1027]

Yes, still stupid, b/c you're continuing to build, and there will always be opportunities to acquire a QB in the future... QB is a total crapshoot. So roll the dice in a few years, and build for championships now.

I can't fathom how you guys can't wrap your heads around this.

It's one draft pick.

[call_me_ishmael]

What if Love turns out to be good (like Rodgers was)? Is it still stupid?

If he turns out to be a HOFer, then it isn’t stupid obviously but are you willing to play the odds on that one? I am not. That said, the butterfly effect is real and is ARod even having this convo without the love pick? Does he play at a top level? Somehow I doubt it.