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[HarveyWallbangers]

Yes, still stupid, b/c you're continuing to build, and there will always be opportunities to acquire a QB in the future... QB is a total crapshoot. So roll the dice in a few years, and build for championships now.

I can't fathom how you guys can't wrap your heads around this.

So, you would have passed on Aaron Rodgers in 2015 then. Dumb!

[HarveyWallbangers]

If he turns out to be a HOFer, then it isn’t stupid obviously but are you willing to play the odds on that one? I am not. That said, the butterfly effect is real and is ARod even having this convo without the love pick? Does he play at a top level? Somehow I doubt it.

He doesn't have to turn out to be a HOFer. That's setting the bar too high. Not many players are Hall of Famers. I'd say that if you can get a QB that you can win a Super Bowl with at #25, that would make it an excellent pick. Teams drafting as low as the Packers don't get many chances at good QB prospects. It will be a bad pick if Love busts. One bad pick. Half of late first round picks don't even make a Pro Bowl. Let's not pretend drafting another position would have guaranteed a great player late in the first round.

Wist, once again, makes an argument where the Packers front office can't win. If Love busts, bad pick. If Love is good, still a bad pick. Just dumb! I think most people are reasonable enough to at least admit if Love is Pro Bowl caliber good, then the Packers made a great pick at the game's most important position.

[MadScientist]

From the way that interview comes across, it doesn't sound like Rodgers has just demanded to be traded, and I don't think he is directly asking for a big pile of money (beyond the staggering amounts he's getting paid anyway). It's more that, after more than a decade of being the face of the franchise, he doesn't like the organization treating him like just some trained monkey. He knows that the logical time for the Packers to see what they have in Love is starting next season, but after last year that would be a slap in the face to Rodgers. So Rodgers wants things structured so they can't just dump him or trade him where they want. And if the Packers won't do that, then he wants out.

[HarveyWallbangers]

From the way that interview comes across, it doesn't sound like Rodgers has just demanded to be traded, and I don't think he is directly asking for a big pile of money (beyond the staggering amounts he's getting paid anyway). It's more that, after more than a decade of being the face of the franchise, he doesn't like the organization treating him like just some trained monkey. He knows that the logical time for the Packers to see what they have in Love is starting next season, but after last year that would be a slap in the face to Rodgers. So Rodgers wants things structured so they can't just dump him or trade him where they want. And if the Packers won't do that, then he wants out.

Good recap, and I get it. It all depends on how many years he wants guaranteed. Tom Brady has played on a 1 or 2 year contract for the last 6 years. Rodgers was ordinary in 2018 and 2019. He's been injury prone. He turns 38 this year. Like I've said before, Rodgers should be guaranteed at least 2 more years in Green Bay. He earned that with his MVP performance. It's likely the Packers have offered that. I suspect Rodgers wants more, but we don't know. If he's looking for more, I have to side with Gutebag.

[th87]

I'll also add this. If the reported deals I have seen floated are real. 3 firsts and a player. Then I hope they deal him. I think that is simply too good to pass up on a 37 almost 38 year old at any position.

You can't punt on a legit SB opportunity to get the opportunity to select the next Datone Jones, Nick Perry, and Kevin King.

[th87]

This is public sentiment to a T. For the very most part people accept business without a stray thought to the possibility that it’s cold to be about hard business in a “people” world.

Rodgers will lose this battle. He will come and play or he will retire and lose a lot of money. This is the black and white reality. And very few people will understand where he’s coming from and quite a lot of people will call him a brat.

Despite common beliefs of the society I live, I’m happy to have a minority opinion that business is sort of crap and it’s a sad environment.

You've been spot on on this topic, I have to say.

[th87]

Yes, still stupid, b/c you're continuing to build, and there will always be opportunities to acquire a QB in the future... QB is a total crapshoot. So roll the dice in a few years, and build for championships now.

I can't fathom how you guys can't wrap your heads around this.

Another example of my FYI foes being spot on here.

[th87]

So, you would have passed on Aaron Rodgers in 2015 then. Dumb!

So they rolled whatever is a good roll in craps. To count on this happening again is silliness:

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb

QBs drafted outside the top 10 overwhelmingly don't pan out.

[texaspackerbacker]

Another example of my FYI foes being spot on here.

Or maybe it's just that you've been mostly right here and damn near 100% wrong there hahahahahaha.

[HarveyWallbangers]

So they rolled whatever is a good roll in craps. To count on this happening again is silliness:

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb

QBs drafted outside the top 10 overwhelmingly don't pan out.

What if he hits? It's not like they would have blown a top 10 pick on him. Most picks late in the first round don't even make a Pro Bowl. But, again, what if he hits? Ron Wolf and scouts under the Wolf tree (Thompson, McKenzie, Dorsey, Schneider) have done well drafting QBs. Favre (technically, not a draft pick, but he fits here), Brunell, Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks, Rodgers, Wilson, Derek Carr, Mahomes, maybe Baker Mayfield.

[call_me_ishmael]

What if he hits? It's not like they would have blown a top 10 pick on him. Most picks late in the first round don't even make a Pro Bowl. But, again, what if he hits? Ron Wolf and scouts under the Wolf tree (Thompson, McKenzie, Dorsey, Schneider) have done well drafting QBs. Favre (technically, not a draft pick, but he fits here), Brunell, Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks, Rodgers, Wilson, Derek Carr, Mahomes, maybe Baker Mayfield.

He statistically is very unlikely to, though. I agree if he is a 8x pro bowler this was a good move. If he is Jared Goff I think it was a bad move. Either way, it clearly pissed Aaron off and lit a fire under him to play his ass off last year.

[Upnorth]

He statistically is very unlikely to, though. I agree if he is a 8x pro bowler this was a good move. If he is Jared Goff I think it was a bad move. Either way, it clearly pissed Aaron off and lit a fire under him to play his ass off last year.

I hate the whole drafting love pissing arod of so he shows up.ballin out and gets the MVP. If 37 million and a great scheme and a great run game and a great set of pass catchers isn't enough motivation to play your best you have big issues.
If that is why he was great last year then he needs therapy.

I pray it is a media manufactured story for his sake.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He statistically is very unlikely to, though. I agree if he is a 8x pro bowler this was a good move. If he is Jared Goff I think it was a bad move. Either way, it clearly pissed Aaron off and lit a fire under him to play his ass off last year.

An 8x Pro Bowler is pretty much a Hall of Famer. That bar is too high. You likely won't get that with the #1 overall pick. Getting a guy like Goff that low would be a good pick. He'd give you a good backup to an injury prone, 37-year-old QB. He's obviously somebody that is capable enough to get you to a Super Bowl in a MLF style offense. I'd hope for a little better, but I think Goff caliber is probably a good pick.

[King Friday]

It's one draft pick.

Two... They traded up.

[th87]

What if he hits? It's not like they would have blown a top 10 pick on him. Most picks late in the first round don't even make a Pro Bowl. But, again, what if he hits? Ron Wolf and scouts under the Wolf tree (Thompson, McKenzie, Dorsey, Schneider) have done well drafting QBs. Favre (technically, not a draft pick, but he fits here), Brunell, Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks, Rodgers, Wilson, Derek Carr, Mahomes, maybe Baker Mayfield.

Two picks plus punting on near-term SB runs for a ~6% chance he even becomes Goff.

Yes, what if he hits, but these aren't smart odds.